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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Delarge View Post
    On that run, West Asian is highest on Armenians, Georgians, Iranians, Pakistanis, and surrounding populations, so i wouldn't call it European. For that it would have to be highest somewhere in Europe
    Wrong. West Asian peaks in Georgians i.e Northern Caucassians who incidentily look European.

    Iranians, Pakistanis and Iranians have other components in high % that are not found in Europe. Pakistanis for example score 60% South Asian.

    Georgians score some 60% West Asian, but they lack other components such as the Mediterannean and Northern European or they have them in negligable
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    Saudi Arabians have significant % of the Mediterranean component but that doesn't make them European because they have other admix which is not found in Europe.

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    I consider Georgians to be European.

    Stalin sure wasn't Asian.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Raine View Post
    Wrong. West Asian peaks in Georgians i.e Northern Caucassians who incidentily look European.

    Iranians, Pakistanis and Iranians have other components in high % that are not found in Europe. Pakistanis for example score 60% South Asian.

    Georgians score some 60% West Asian, but they lack other components such as the Mediterannean and Northern European or they have them in negligable
    percent.
    North Caucasians lack Med and Southwest Asian that are Southern components.They do score some Northern European and that's why they can be European in appearance. Anyway basing on looks alone is not a way to judge a persons race. I can show you many Euro looking Syrians and Persians, it doesn't make them European.

    You must consider Southwest Asian and Gedrosia as European too since they are also present among Europeans.
    Balkan Anatolian Turkic calculator:

    11.04% Balkans
    83.23% Anatolia
    5.73% Turkic

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raine View Post
    Saudi Arabians have significant % of the Mediterranean component but that doesn't make them European because they have other admix which is not found in Europe.
    Actually Saudis South West Asian component is found in Europe.
    Balkan Anatolian Turkic calculator:

    11.04% Balkans
    83.23% Anatolia
    5.73% Turkic

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raine View Post
    Wrong. West Asian peaks in Georgians i.e Northern Caucassians who incidentily look European.

    Iranians, Pakistanis and Iranians have other components in high % that are not found in Europe. Pakistanis for example score 60% South Asian.

    Georgians score some 60% West Asian, but they lack other components such as the Mediterannean and Northern European or they have them in negligable
    percent.
    Wrong? Georgians just happen to have the highest value, but only marginally. I'm not sure if i would consider that a peak. The Kalash or Brahui from Pakistan for example have 4% less.

    As for georgians looking european i wouldn't know, never been there and i'm not familiar with georgians or azeris, armenians, etc. Also they score around 25-27% Mediterranean by the way, so i don't think it's negligable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by orangepulp View Post
    Whys shouldn't those 19 Greeks represent Greece?? There is no way a countries whole population can be tested.
    Do you read what you write? 19 Greeks represent the total population of Greece?

    I never said you are not Europeans for the hundredth time. I just said Greeks carry non European DNA and it is significant (38%). Its almost 1/3 of your ancestry.I don't care when you got this West Asian admixture point is it is present in your genes.
    It's the same thing non-European and "non-European DNA", as I told you it has completely Euroreanized. Also an amount of Greeks have a haplogroup which came from north African haplogroup E, does this makes them 'Africans'?

    And please stop exaggerating your skin tone, I have seen plenty of swarthy Greeks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellenas View Post
    Do you read what you write? 19 Greeks represent the total population of Greece?
    Well then how many people must be tested?! None of the reference samples are that much. Even Turks that are in the project are around 25.

    It's the same thing non-European and "non-European DNA", as I told you it has completely Euroreanized. Also an amount of Greeks have a haplogroup which came from north African haplogroup E, does this makes them 'Africans'?
    Some of your DNA components are not European, not all of your DNA.

    I told you that haplogroups are small percentage of our ancestry, significant is autosmal DNA.

    Also if a populations haplogroup is African in origin it means they come from that line of people long time ago but it doesn't mean they are African because haplogroups are not that significant.
    Balkan Anatolian Turkic calculator:

    11.04% Balkans
    83.23% Anatolia
    5.73% Turkic

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    It is a non European (Asian) caucasoid component.

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    According to the first graph, W/SW Asian admixture seems to predominate (at or over 50%) among some Greeks.



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