Genetic HIV Resistance In Northern Europeans

[Tabiti]

That doesn't mean you should not take measures to protect yourself!

[The Lawspeaker]

Common sense is the best protection. Don't have one night stands and when you and your partner are going to take it further be sensible and have the pair of you tested.

[Aino]

I am a little envious of my mother, who carries two copies of the CCR5 delta 32 deletion, that is, she is immune to the most common strain of HIV. I carry only one copy of delta 32 so I am only partially immune. Or actually, one copy doesn't confer immunity. Instead, it seems to slow down progression to AIDS.

We also carry mtDNA H3, which is protective against AIDS:

Mitochondrial DNA haplogroups J and U5a were elevated among HIV-1 infected people who display accelerated progression to AIDS and death. Haplogroups Uk, H3, and IWX appeared to be highly protective against AIDS progression.

Mitochondrial DNA haplogroups influence AIDS progression.


Interestingly, like the mtDNA haplogroups J and U5a, the Y-DNA haplogroup I is apparently also linked to a faster progression to AIDS.

Association of Y chromosome haplogroup I with HIV progression, and HAART outcome

[The Black Prince]

Peter Frost 2006

Those maps are a joke.. I've seen these from time to time, nobody knows on which researchdata these carts based?

I mean these carts are from 1965, so before the immigration of non-western allochtones. The last great researches concerning pigmentation were before WW-II (some just past). These contained 10,000's conscripts from each country and the data about their pigmentation was subdivided per region the conscripts came from. However the data from these conscripts are totally different than shown on this chart.

Just two comments of the list that could be compiled..

F.i. on this chart people from middle-Germany have lighter eyes than those from Norway, while Norway was one of the lightest eyed countries in the world and Trondelag was the lightest eyed regio in the world.

Concerning light hair, Sjaeland (Denmark) is here grouped with the 50-70% regions..Sjaelland is actually a dark hair island in the middle of northern Europe.

This is based upon conscripts database: though it should read light pigmentation instead of eye pigmentation.

[Falkata]

Those maps are a joke.. I've seen these from time to time, nobody knows on which researchdata these carts based?

I mean these carts are from 1965, so before the immigration of non-western allochtones. The last great researches concerning pigmentation were before WW-II (some just past). These contained 10,000's conscripts from each country and the data about their pigmentation was subdivided per region the conscripts came from. However the data from these conscripts are totally different than shown on this chart.

Just two comments of the list that could be compiled..

F.i. on this chart people from middle-Germany have lighter eyes than those from Norway, while Norway was one of the lightest eyed countries in the world and Trondelag was the lightest eyed regio in the world.

Concerning light hair, Sjaeland (Denmark) is here grouped with the 50-70% regions..Sjaelland is actually a dark hair island in the middle of northern Europe.

This is based upon conscripts database: though it should read light pigmentation instead of eye pigmentation.

This last map is a joke too. There´s not place in North Africa lighter than the half of Iberia, Italy, Greece...
Some people have seen some (always the same btw) pics of blond berbers and they think its quite common or something

[The Black Prince]

This last map is a joke too. There´s not place in North Africa lighter than the half of Iberia, Italy, Greece...
Some people have seen some (always the same btw) pics of blond berbers and they think its quite common or something

Perhaps not now anymore (*)..but first realize that if they had made the category 20-30%, southern Spain might have been in the same category.
Nexto that it are only pockets in North-Africa, just as there are pockets in Afghanistan, Iran et such of people with a higher percentage of light pigmentation traits as the surrounding population.



Second in the Netherlands we have quite a substantional Moroccan group. The occurence of blond hair as baby/little child is not absent among them.
And I know several Moroccans with freckles, (rufous or dark) brown hair and blue/green eyes.

And you do know about Maddy, that child that was missing but one reported to have sighted it in Morocco. It was not Maddy but a girl of a local Berber community, known for their intermediate pigmentation.



other lighter examples:



For those who can read Dutch, here is a Dutch speaking Moroccan forum with a thread about the Berber pigmentation: http://forums.marokko.nl/archive/ind...32954-p-1.html

(*) at the moment there are 30mln with the moroccan nationality (even if they migrate they keep the Moroccan nationality). of them 4mln are Berber. Of those 2mln live in Western Europe.

---

Another item is the blue spot in Syria, you probably noticed that to?

In the Netherlands we have a very fanatic Imam, who is Syrian of ancestry (migrated during the Gulfwar). Pale blue eyed Imam Fawaz Jneid:



---

Now I'm not claiming that all these moroccans are light or such, but I do stress that during the 1930's Morocco was still divided in strict ethnic communities: Arabs in the towns and cities, Berbers (with a fair minority) in the hills and highlands and dark (negroid admixtured) Arabs/Berbers in the south. Nowadays the number of Berbers have halved in proportion when compared with the Arabs. So for your good bedrest, there is a good chance that on average those '25-35% intermediate/light' pigment spots in North-Africa must have halved, meaning that they are now in the 13-18% most likely even lower as Southern Spain...

[Falkata]

Perhaps not now anymore (*)..but first realize that if they had made the category 20-30% southern Spain might have been in the same category.
Nexto that it are only pockets in North-Africa just as there are pockets in Afghanistan, Iran et such of people with a higher percentage of light pigmentation traits as the surrounding population.

Second in the Netherlands we have quite a substantional Moroccan group. The occurence of blond hair as baby/little child is not absent among them.


And I know several Moroccans with freckles, (rufous or dark) brown hair and blue/green eyes.

And you do know about Maddy, that child that was missing but one reported to have sighted it in Morocco. It was not Maddy but a girl of a local Berber community known for their intermediate pigmentation.



other lighter examples:



For those who can read Dutch, here is a Dutch speaking Moroccan forum with a thread about the Berber pigmentation: http://forums.marokko.nl/archive/ind...32954-p-1.html

(*) at the moment there are 30mln with the moroccan nationality (even if they migrate they keep the Moroccan nationality). of them 4mln are Berber. Of those 2mln live in Western Europe.

---

Another item is the blue spot in Syria, you probably noticed that to?

In the Netherlands we have a very fanatic Imam, who is Syrian of ancestry (migrated during the Gulfwar). Pale blue eyed Imam Fawaz Jneid:



---

Now I'm not claiming that all these moroccans are light or such, but I do stress that during the 1930's Morocco was still divided in strict ethnic communities: Arabs in the towns and cities, Berbers (with a fair minority) in the hills and highlands and dark (negroid admixtured) Arabs/Berbers in the south. Nowadays the number of Berbers have halved in proportion when compared with the Arabs. So for your good bedrest. There is a good chance that on average those '25-35% intermediate/light' pigment spots in North-Africa must have halved meaning that they are now in the 13-18% most likely even lower as Southern Spain...

The occurence of blondism in southern european kids is quite normal too. I was blond, Alexdelarge too... it´s not like something special. And I´ve seen that blond moroccans pics hundreds of times. If i posted photos of blond southern europeans i could post millions.

[The Black Prince]

They treated the Spanish in ethnic groups like they did the Moroccans.. perhaps the Catalan have blondism of 24% and the Berbers 20 or 21%. However they measured among the Berbers various local tribes. Some tribes perhaps reaching 30% blondism. The highlands were not as dense populated meaning that you do get a fair spot showable on a map when produced.

That is what I meant.

[Falkata]

Sigh.. Don't you get it that they treated the Spanish in ethnic groups like they did the Moroccans? perhaps the Catalan have blondism of 24% and the Berbers 20 or 21%. However they measured among the Berbers various local tribes. Some tribes perhaps reaching 30% blondism. The highlands were not as dense populated meaning that you do get a fair spot showable on a map when produced.

Get it now?

No, i have been in Morocco and Tunisia and i was in some berber villages and blondism wasn´t 20% at all even in kids. In my family blondism between childs is about 50% easily and we are not specially light

[The Black Prince]

Wow.. cause I have been to Spain, Italy, Greece etc.. and I apparantely didn't see that 50% of the local kids on the street were blond.