Sezione sicula

[alfieb]

What's the difference? With 40% young adult unemployment, we may as well be Greeks.

[Prince Carlo]

And do you seriously think that Sicilians are going to accept that???

[alfieb]

No.

But 40% unemployment is temporary, and nobody is suggesting secession tomorrow. More autonomy first. Why does Sicily not have its own internet TLD? Why is Sicilian not taught in our schools? Why do we have Albanian but not Sicilian on our road signs? These are matters that should be taken care of in the short term. Independence is a long-term matter.

If these things are solved and we still have high unemployment after the rest of Italy has had its situation improved, then clearly autonomy is not enough, and Rome has abdicated its responsibility - from a Sicilian perspective - obviously the Italian view will be that lazy Sicilians don't want to work and want government handouts.

[askra]

Sicilians are rather selfish and want to live on the money of Italians without working. They blackmail the state with the threat of secession to get more money. But of couse they know that without Italy, they would become a new Lebanon in a couple of decades because they don't have a serious economy. The same is true for Sardinia to a much lesser extent.

The same is more true for campania, that presents a similar economic situation of sicily, for example the presence of criminal organizations, that are largely infiltrated in the economic structure of the region.
Campania in terms of GDP per capita and Income per capita is even put in a worse position than Sicily.
Sardinia today also due to the global crisis hasn't an idyllic economy, but compared with Southern Italian regions is better (highest gdp per capita of Mezzogiorno after Abruzzo and Molise, highest income per capita of Mezzogiorno) and above all hasn't problem with the organized crime's extorsion or widespread political corruption. Sardinian gdp per capita can be compared with that one of New Zealand, that isn't the richest country in the world, but neither a third world nation, as Lebanon.


In addition Sardinia unlike other talian Autonomous regions does not hold a single euro of taxes, and the italian goverment has removed the island from the EU convergence regions, which receive every year billions of euros from the European Union (signed in red in the map):

[Comte Arnau]

I think it's unfair people try to force Sicilians into a generic "Italian" label but have no issue making distinctions for a plethora of other non-nations like Galicia, Catalunya, the parts of the UK, Brittany, Alsace-Lorraine, and Bavaria.

Non-nation... to you.

Catalonia has been and is a nation by history, law and customs, and as such is stated in our Statute. In no other stateless territory in Europe will you find more people feeling they live in a stateless nation. Not even in Scotland. Compared to this truth, what you think about us is irrelevant. Just like the fact that there is no subforum for us, or for the Czechs, won't make any of us less of a nation.

[alfieb]

Just like the fact that there is no subforum for us, or for the Czechs, won't make any of us less of a nation.

You've said that you don't desire a subforum though.

[Prince Carlo]

@Askra Sardinia has the national highest number of economically bankrupt municipalities in Italy.

http://www.lindipendenza.com/comuni-...ni-classifica/

Percentage

Campania 3.45%
Sardinia 40.31%

http://www.lindipendenza.com/comuni-...ni-classifica/

The lower GDP per capita is because of black economy. Our real economy is 50% higher than that.

Scomponendo i dati regione per regione, la Puglia accusa il piu' elevato spread tra ricchezza dichiarata e benessere reale, con 54 punti base, seguita da Sicilia, Campania e Calabria (spread rispettivamente di 53, 51 e 50 punti)

http://www.lastampa.it/2012/09/14/ec...dL/pagina.html

[Ira di Dio]

Il thread non ha più nulla da dire. Il popolo ha parlato. Evviva la democrazia.

In addition Sardinia unlike other talian Autonomous regions does not hold a single euro of taxes, and the italian goverment has removed the island from the EU convergence regions, which receive every year billions of euros from the European Union (signed in red in the map):

Grazie per la mappa askra.

E' scandaloso che in un momento del genere l'Italia accetti di essere contribuente netto (versando nelle casse comuni piu' di quanto riceve: Roma continuera' a pagare annualmente 3,8 miliardi di euro in piu' rispetto a quanto riceve fino al 2020) per foraggiare stati falliti. Vista la situazione avrei fatto in modo che la Sardegna e magari anche altre regioni continuassero ad usufruire dei fondi.

[alfieb]

The poll is more or less a joke. It was created by an Italian nationalist, and it was Italian nationalists who voted against it.

Was there a poll for creating a forum for Cornwall? Their language went extinct in the 20th century and is only being revived by a few thousand people now. They're not even an autonomous region in the UK, yet they have a forum.

Il precedente costituito è chiaro.

[Peyrol]

Giusto un appunto Alfieb: l'italiano non è la ''lingua dei colonizzatori'', per il puro e semplice fatto che qui all'epoca non si parlava affatto in italiano (ovvero una forma modificata del toscano medioevale), ma in piemontese o al massimo in ligure, occitano o patòis valdostano, senza contare il fatto che una buona metà dei Mille erano non-piemontesi in prevalenza lombardi, romani o napoletani

Quindi se vuoi prendertela con la ''lingua dei colonizzatori'', al massimo scrivi una lettera di protesta ad Emanuele Filiberto, alla Littizzetto o a Carla Bruni.