Eurogenes Biogeographic Ancestry Project

[Jackson]

I think Graham should know.

E-C-E should be mostly Polish I think, and North Sea would be parts of Scandinavia, Netherlands, north Germany ... essentially a Germanic thing. North Atlantic also overlaps of course with North Sea, NA being more to the west (Britain, Ireland).

I think he used Kent as the North Sea group and Argyll, CEU, Cornwall as North Atlantic, can't remember exactly.

[Jackson]

Yep, Germanic south-east and pre-Germanic Cornwall.

I don't think Kent is as Germanic as people think, at least not as much as East Anglia and parts of the East Midlands - They would have made a better reference group if there were available samples from there.

[Loki]

I don't think Kent is as Germanic as people think, at least not as much as East Anglia and parts of the East Midlands - They would have made a better reference group if there were available samples from there.

I'm not sure, I think Kent is quite Germanic. We know that the Jutes settled there. Rural East Anglia doesn't tell much, influence should more show in the larger towns ... like for example Lincoln to the north.

[Graham]

How does the Y-DNA & mtDNA of Kent compare to others in England? If that information is available.

[Loki]

How does the Y-DNA & mtDNA of Kent compare to others in England? If that information is available.

There should be maps somewhere with haplogroup distributions.

[Jackson]

I'm not sure, I think Kent is quite Germanic. We know that the Jutes settled there. Rural East Anglia doesn't tell much, influence should more show in the larger towns ... like for example Lincoln to the north.

True, although in England south of the Thames (and i guess basically in the home counties) R1b-P312 L21- U152- and R1b U152 are more common than in Anglia and East Midlands, and R1b is higher overall as well, than in East Anglia and the East Midlands. It's not a massive difference i agree with you there, it's still predominately Germanic but there seems to be a bit more of a Celtic remnant there than in a couple of other places. That could partly be due to it being outside the Danelaw, while East Anglia and the East Midlands was in the heart of the Danelaw.

I disagree, in the bigger towns and in cities there tends to be more non-local ancestry, which in the case of the last few hundred years has been mainly from Ireland and western Britain. In fact POBI have shown that on average people from urban areas in a certain region (of England) tended to be more Celtic influenced than the people in the countryside around them. I don't know if the same is true in the Celtic fringe (that people from towns are less Celtic than in the surrounding countryside) but it could be, although to a much lesser degree in most areas.
Thats not saying that none moved to the country, but most went to cities and towns first it seems, a bit like our current wave of immigrants that start in the towns and then filter out a bit from there i suppose.

The most Germanic areas seem to be the Anglian peninsula and Lindsey (much of what is now Lincolnshire) then followed by the rest of the East Midlands and the South-East (including Kent).

[Jackson]

How does the Y-DNA & mtDNA of Kent compare to others in England? If that information is available.

Kent should be quite similar to the one in south/south-east England on this map. Edit: This is just R1b, but it does demonstrate it to some degree.

[Loki]

True, although in England south of the Thames (and i guess basically in the home counties) R1b-P312 L21- U152- and R1b U152 are more common than in Anglia and East Midlands, and R1b is higher overall as well, than in East Anglia and the East Midlands. It's not a massive difference i agree with you there, it's still predominately Germanic but there seems to be a bit more of a Celtic remnant there than in a couple of other places. That could partly be due to it being outside the Danelaw, while East Anglia and the East Midlands was in the heart of the Danelaw.

I disagree, in the bigger towns and in cities there tends to be more non-local ancestry, which in the case of the last few hundred years has been mainly from Ireland and western Britain. In fact POBI have shown that on average people from urban areas in a certain region (of England) tended to be more Celtic influenced than the people in the countryside around them. I don't know if the same is true in the Celtic fringe (that people from towns are less Celtic than in the surrounding countryside) but it could be, although to a much lesser degree in most areas.
Thats not saying that none moved to the country, but most went to cities and towns first it seems, a bit like our current wave of immigrants that start in the towns and then filter out a bit from there i suppose.

The most Germanic areas seem to be the Anglian peninsula and Lindsey (much of what is now Lincolnshire) then followed by the rest of the East Midlands and the South-East (including Kent).

This is interesting. I have travelled along the coast of East Anglia and stopped in every town. The locals in the small villages there look mainly stocky, swarthy etc ... the opposite of Germanic. But as I go into larger towns and cities, blonds seem to become more common. Just my personal observation.

[Jackson]

This is interesting. I have travelled along the coast of East Anglia and stopped in every town. The locals in the small villages there look mainly stocky, swarthy etc ... the opposite of Germanic. But as I go into larger towns and cities, blonds seem to become more common. Just my personal observation.

All the Polish immigrants.

That's an interesting observation. I can't counteract that in any way using equivalent observations so i'll just have to take your word for correct on this. Although i would say that looks and genetics don't always correlate.

[Graham]

Netherlands would make a better cluster than Kent..Cornwall is a good one.

Netherlands, East Anglia - Doggerland
Cornwall, Wales, Ireland - North Atlantic
East Norway, Sweden - Scandinavian
Finland - Finland