Danes Rethink A Welfare State Ample to a Fault

**The Lawspeaker** · 04-23-2013, 08:22 PM

Originally Posted by mr. logan

different speeds, dude.

Let's be frank: you're ignorant.

**Hess** · 04-23-2013, 08:27 PM

It's encouraging to the Danes attempt to reign in the perverse, ill-shaped monster known as the Welfare State, but it's not nearly enough; more steps need to be taken to create an atmosphere that rewards entrepreneurship rather than punishing it with suffocating regulations and ultra progressive taxation.

**The Lawspeaker** · 04-23-2013, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by Hess

It's encouraging to the Danes attempt to reign in the perverse, ill-shaped monster known as the Welfare State, but it's not nearly enough; more steps need to be taken to create an atmosphere that rewards entrepreneurship rather than punishing it with suffocating regulations and progressive taxation.

Ah.. in America crapitalism has been so successful. NO.

What European countries need is a return to the days of the Folkhemmet. A return to an idea that a national is a family and a good home for it's people. I understand that you left your country and you, probably, feel more ties with the career you're chasing than your own people. I understand that. But the Western and Northern European philosophy is different from the American rude selfishness that is known simply as "libertarianism".

Breadlines and the idea of people dying of illnesses because they can't afford treatment does not belong in a civilised society.

**~~Baluarte~~** · 04-23-2013, 08:34 PM

Please, like Protestants haven't sold themselves to money...

**Mary** · 04-23-2013, 08:35 PM

It's not Capitalism or Socialism. It's generation. The Boomers built the welfare state and benefited from it, now that they are getting old they are going to dismantle it.

**The Lawspeaker** · 04-23-2013, 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by Mary

It's not Capitalism or Socialism. It's generation. The Boomers built the welfare state and benefited from it, now that they are getting old they are going to dismantle it.

The Boomers didn't built the welfare state. It was built during the 1930s to early 1960s by their parents (a.k.a The Greatest Generation). The Boomers profited from it and now they are going to dismantle it before anyone else can. The Boomers were a perfidious generation that first lived off their parents, then off the state (and thus, in a way, still off their parents,free tuition, collecting welfare and then nicking the good jobs - taking those away from their own children) and later off their children and now grandchildren.

**Mary** · 04-23-2013, 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by The Lawspeaker

The Boomers didn't built the welfare state. It was built during the 1930s to early 1960s by their parents (a.k.a The Greatest Generation). The Boomers profited from it and now they are going to dismantle it before anyone can. The Boomers were a perfidious generation that first lived off their parents, then off the state (free tuition, collecting welfare and then nicking the good jobs) and now off their children and grandchildren.

I mean built in the sense that they expanded it as much as possible for their own benefit, not that they did the actual work of building up the wealth.

**The Lawspeaker** · 04-23-2013, 08:42 PM

Originally Posted by Mary

I mean built in the sense that they expanded it as much as possible for their own benefit, not that they did the actual work of building up the wealth.

Yes, that's correct. The actual work and legislation was done by the generation of their parents (and in some countries even grandparents). But they did the profiting - without contributing in any way, shape or form by taking those jobs that allowed them to manipulate the system and making sure that they didn't need to contribute (tax evasion).

**Hess** · 04-23-2013, 08:45 PM

Originally Posted by The Lawspeaker

Ah.. in America crapitalism has been so successful. NO.

What European countries need is a return to the days of the Folkhemmet. A return to an idea that a national is a family and a good home for it's people.I understand that you left your country and you, probably, feel more ties with the career you're chasing than your own people. I understand that. But the Western and Northern European philosophy is different from the American rude selfishness that is known simply as "libertarianism".

Breadlines and the idea of people dying of illnesses because they can't afford treatment does not belong in a civilised society.

We have always disagreed sharply on Economic issues; oh well

But I was a Liberal before I moved to America. Let's not forget that Liberalism was founded in Europe, not America.

Among its fathers are Jean Baptise-Say, David Hume, Friedrich Hayek, Adam Smith, Frederic Bastiat, Pieter De La Court (Dutchman) and many others; all Europeans.

**The Lawspeaker** · 04-23-2013, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by Hess

We have always disagreed sharply on Economic issues; oh well

But I was a Liberal before I moved to America. Let's not forget that Liberalism was founded in Europea, not America.

Among its fathers are Jean Baptise-Say, David Hume, Friedrich Hayek, Adam Smith, Frederic Bastiat, Pieter De La Court (Dutchman) and many others; all Europeans.

Most of them dating back to 17th and 18th century. Things have changed. Most, if not all, of them were people that never left their desk and never saw the abject misery of those around them. And if anything: they were raised with a complete disregard for those of "lower financial standing" then they and their rich families (that always profited off the labour of others) were.

They were people of the elite writing for people of the elite.. looking for some kind of a pseudo-philosophical system that would perpetuate their financial well-being, their status and their shocking selfishness and callousness.