Are light traits in Southern Europe due to the northern European admixture ?

[Sikeliot]

Trapani.

http://anthrocivitas.net/forum/showt...697#post160697

I think I counted 5/25.

Messina:
http://anthrocivitas.net/forum/showthread.php?t=407

2/32. So that's like 1/16 or 6.25%.

[ABest]

Do you have some datas about Greece?

Yes I do, i'll post it in a minute.

[alfieb]

You're both right.

But in last decades romanians and MENAs are outnumbering us italics in 5 out of 10 city districts, so...

Can't say I can relate. We don't have a Romanian problem. If you add up the 1.2m people who live in the Province of Palermo, I'd say between 5-10 thousand are Romanian or MENA.

[Peyrol]

Can't say I can relate. We don't have a Romanian problem. If you add up the 1.2m people who live in the Province of Palermo, I'd say between 5-10 thousand are Romanian or MENA.

Well, foreign-born population in Torino (including illegals) is around 25% (they're involved in 40% of new births here) ...foreign population in Sicily is around 2-3%...

[P-Chan]

Se vuoi che ti dico che non esistono differenze te lo dico neh, questo però non lo rende un dato reale.

I numeri sono comunque stati raccolti da Ridolfo Livi sulle classi di leva 1859-1863 nel Regio Esercito.

Scusa, ma nell' altra pagina non hai riportato i dati dello stesso Livi suddivisi per regione? Io leggo 40%, 13.9%, 19%..., non ci sono regioni con il 50% e con 2-5%. Per cui ho chiesto dove posso trovare quelle percentuali che hai elencato. Nei libri di Livi non ho mai letto quei numeri.

[Peyrol]

Scusa, ma nell' altra pagina non hai riportato i dati dello stesso Livi suddivisi per regione? Io leggo 40%, 13.9%, 19%..., non ci sono regioni con il 50% e con 2-5%. Per cui ho chiesto dove posso trovare quelle percentuali che hai elencato. Perchè negli studi di Livi non ho mai letto quei numeri.

I didn't said ''there are entire regions around 50%'', but ''Probably there are some isolated zones with 50'', the same for the 2-5%.

The book is this:

"Renato Biasutti - Razze e popoli della Terra - UTET, 1941" ...and the datas are from the ''Dati raccolti da Ridolfo Livi sulle classi di leva 1859-1863 del Regio Esercito''.

[alfieb]

Messina:
http://anthrocivitas.net/forum/showthread.php?t=407

2/32. So that's like 1/16 or 6.25%.

I didn't see a single one in the Agrigento thread with light eyes. Arab Coast.

[ABest]

"On a series of Macedonian Greeks measured in 1921, 14% had black hair, 67% had dark brown hair, 15% had brown hair, 3.5% had fair hair and 0.5% had red hair"

Margaret M. Hasluck; G. M. Morant. Biometrika, Vol. 21, No. 1/4. (Dec., 1929), pp. 322-336.

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Greeks from Pontus:

15% black, 52% brown, 28% "chatain", 4% blond (sample 1)
Dark brown 82.5%, Intermediate 12.5%, Blond 4.5%, Red 0.5% (sample 2)


Neophytos, Aristote G., Le grec due Nord-est de l' Asie Mineure au point de vue anthropologique, L' Anthropologie 2: 25-35, 1891

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I can't find the rest now, as some files have been lost from my computer.

However, I do remember studies from the same period showing southern Greece and several islands being relatively but insignificantly "lighter" than Macedonia, if I remember correctly.

Also, southeastern Crete is known to have been the lightest region of all of Greece in the past.

[P-Chan]

This is a 2010 study, it's obvious that the numbers are different since basically the internal south-north immigration in the 40s-60s culturally (and phenotypically) destroyed these lands.

2010??

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3420/...8f532076_z.jpg

this study is by Rodolfo Livi (Antropometria Militare), XIX century, it wasn't made in 2010

[Peyrol]

2010??

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3420/...8f532076_z.jpg

this study is by Rodolfo Livi, XIX century, it wasn't made in 2010

So, basically two contrasting studies which used random people. Who is right?