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Thread: Are light traits in Southern Europe due to the northern European admixture ?

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    Btw, brown hairs by italian regions



    Blonde hairs by italian regions (Corsica is included):




    Red hais (note the old north-eastern borders):


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    Quote Originally Posted by alfieb View Post
    I didn't see a single one in the Agrigento thread with light eyes. Arab Coast.
    Enna had 6 out of 32.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reozek View Post
    Spain

    Study 2 : Hoyos-Sánz

    Fair-eyes color (includes blue, greenish and grey) :

    Vasco-Navarra 39.2%
    Aragón 34.9%
    Castilla La Nueva 21.4%
    Castilla La Vieja 21.1%
    Baleares 21.0%
    León 18.8%
    Múrcia 16.9%
    Extremadura 18.8%
    Cataluña 14.5%
    Asturias 19.1%
    Valencia 12.1%
    Galícia 12.3%
    Granada 11.7%
    Andalucía 10.7%
    Quote Originally Posted by ABest View Post
    I find some of this data about North Italy/Spain to be exaggerated. I've read studies that showed that the pigmentation difference between Southern and Northern Italy/Spain to be sizable but rather small.
    I don't think so. Before knowing Hoyos-Sanz's data, I already was under the personal impression that the Basque-Navarre-Aragon area was the most light-eyed in all of Iberia. When I got to know it, that just seemed to confirm it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peyrol View Post
    Btw, brown hairs by italian regions



    Blonde hairs by italian regions (Corsica is included):




    Red hais (note the old north-eastern borders):

    There it is! These are two of the maps I was talking about! The second image is not working, can you fix it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ABest View Post
    I think I found one of the studies I was referring to.

    http://archhades.blogspot.com/2011_06_01_archive.html



    I mean they show a difference between Sicily and Northernmost italy, but much smaller than some numbers posted here. Plus, they show N. Italy to be much "darker" than "50%" light. I don't know when this study was conducted though.
    they are exactly the same data , for example Piemonte : 33.552 individuals , 13.369 have blue+gray eyes = 39.8%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peyrol View Post
    So, basically two contrasting studies which used random people. Who is right?
    You said that was a study made in 2010, instead it's a label made by Rodolfo Livi in 1863, so I was right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peyrol View Post
    Btw, brown hairs by italian regions



    Blonde hairs by italian regions (Corsica is included):




    Red hais (note the old north-eastern borders):

    how is that possible that north has more brown hair than south?

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    Quote Originally Posted by P-Chan View Post
    You said that was a study made in 2010, instead it's a label made by Rodolfo Livi in 1863, so I was right.
    Se vedo scritto ''2010'' nel link cosa penso, che l'ha fatto topogigio?

    Comunque se ricavi le percentuali i numeri sono esattamente quelli che ho postato io.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kastrioti1443 View Post
    how is that possible that north has more brown hair than south?
    Obviously yes, since ''other'' hairs in Sardegna and in some southern regions are ''Black''.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reozek View Post
    they are exactly the same data , for example Piemonte : 33.552 individuals , 13.369 have blue+gray eyes = 39.8%
    Oh, ok. I was looking at the black hair number, which was oddly low in Sicily.

    Plus, I didn't go through the percentages.

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