Are light traits in Southern Europe due to the northern European admixture ?

[alfieb]

how is that possible that north has more brown hair than south?

We have much more black than they do.

[Sikeliot]

My hair is black. Or close to it .

[ABest]

I don't think so. Before knowing Hoyos-Sanz's data, I already was under the personal impression that the Basque-Navarre-Aragon area was the most light-eyed in all of Iberia. When I got to know it, that just seemed to confirm it.

I know it is. But by how much? Is the difference very large nowadays? That's what I was questioning, though I'm not very sure.

I was mostly referring to Italy btw, I've only read like one study about Spain ever. I just remember the difference between not massive, but still existant.

[Reozek]

France :

Évolution de la couleur des yeux des Français depuis la fin du XVIIe siècle.

1940 data -

North-east : blue 41% , gray 13% , dark 46%
Paris : blue 34% , 9 gray % , dark 57%
North-west : blue 29% , gray 20% , dark 51%
South-east : blue 25% , gray 11% , dark 64%
South-west : blue 23% , gray 14% , dark 63%

Bulgaria :

Contribution à l'étude anthropologique des bulgares

blue : 17,65%
gray : 22,59%
brown: 59,76%

plus green : 4,10%

Greece :

http://www.plosone.org/article/info%...l.pone.0055712

14% light eyes
86% dark "

Corsica :

Contribution à l'anthropologie des Corses : Anthropologie de la tête (suite)

dark eyes : 35,6%
intermediate : 41,8% (green [10,8%] , hazel , amber)
light : 22,6% (adding green = 33,4%)

[Peyrol]

I know it is. But by how much? Is the difference very large nowadays? That's what I was questioning, though I'm not very sure.

I was mostly referring to Italy btw, I've only read like one study about Spain ever. I just remember the difference between not massive, but still existant.

People just can't imagine that here the north south divide originated since roman times...just look at the linguistic groups...









...we've also the La-Spezia-Rimini line, that divide eastern from western romance languages.

[poiuytrewq0987]

They're random occurrences. Light pigmentations are just more of an often occurrence in northern Europe.

[ABest]

Dienekes also has some more studies on Greece.

http://dienekes.awardspace.com/

Coon said that southeastern Crete had the lightest and tallest Greek population. Also, he states that some mountainous areas in central Greece were a bit lighter than the Greek average, if I remember correctly. For more information just go through the articles.

[alfieb]

I love how yet another map totally disses Malta. Won't even shade them black! Just leaves them off entirely while including Tunis. lol.

[Peyrol]

Dienekes also has some more studies on Greece.

http://dienekes.awardspace.com/

Coon said that southeastern Crete had the lightest and tallest Greek population. Also, he states that some mountainous areas in central Greece were a bit lighter than the Greek average, if I remember correctly. For more information just go through the articles.

I thought that tessaliots and epiriots were the taller/lighter, while dodecanesians and cyclades the ''darker''.

[Sikeliot]

I thought that tessaliots and epiriots were the taller/lighter, while dodecanesians and cyclades the ''darker''.

I thought so too. Everyone I know from Epirus is blue eyed and fair, although with darker hair.