Are light traits in Southern Europe due to the northern European admixture ?

**~~gregorius~~** · 05-09-2013, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by Sikeliot

It makes much more sense to assume that Pontic Greeks, living directly next to Armenia, are related to them.

Georgians live right above us for thousands of years, Yet we are not related

**~~Kastrioti1443~~** · 05-09-2013, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by Sikeliot

It makes much more sense to assume that Pontic Greeks, living directly next to Armenia, are related to them.

It depends, gheg albanians and slavs have lived together for more than 1,400 years, and still ghegs do not have baltid at all.

**Übermensch** · 05-09-2013, 07:31 PM

Originally Posted by Joseph Capelli

Of course if light-mixed eyes are considered as light, the percentage will grow.

I don't know, but numbers for my region would be correct if also dark green-hazel eyes are included,there's no way light eyes are at 23% unless including dark green-hazel eyes,don't know about other regions though.

**~~Prince Carlo~~** · 05-09-2013, 07:38 PM

Originally Posted by Zarathustra

I don't know, but numbers for my region would be correct if also dark green-hazel eyes are included,there's no way light eyes are at 23% unless including dark green-hazel eyes,don't know about other regions though.

I am starting to think that Basilicata is lowering the real percentage of light eyes of Campania and Apulia. Just Kidding.

**Reozek** · 05-09-2013, 07:57 PM

Originally Posted by P-Chan

That's not true. Livi's survey realised in the XIX century didn't consider hazel, light brown and amber eyes as light eyes, but only blue, grey and green. While in the study regarding Sardinians by Cosseddu realised in 1983, the percentage of true light eyes (pure blue, grey and green) (based on Martin Shultz scale) is 16%.

this is instead the % including light and mixed eyes from the same study based on martin shultz scale:

who said that livi considered Hazel eyes as light ? read again , i wrote the exact opposite...ps. actually it's 13.9% in both Livi and Cosseddu studies not 16%

my post:

"i believe Livi used a sort of Martin-Schultz scale (even if probably they weren't even born when Antropometria Militare was published) and he considered as light eyes those eye colors who correspond to 1 to 8 in the M.S. scale (pure blue to green with little yellow or brown)"

color 8 is a green with little Yellow or brown but it's not Hazel...

something like this one

GreenEyeImg.jpg

**ChocolateFace** · 05-09-2013, 08:02 PM

The answer to the original question is no.

Light traits in southern Europe is from Up types. And those UP types are native to southern Europe also.

**P-Chan** · 05-09-2013, 08:06 PM

Originally Posted by Reozek

who said that livi considered Hazel eyes as light ? read again , i wrote the exact opposite...ps. actually it's 13.9% in both Livi and Cosseddu studies not 16%

my post:

"i believe Livi used a sort of Martin-Schultz scale (even if probably they weren't even born when Antropometria Militare was published) and he considered as light eyes those eye colors who correspond to 1 to 8 in the M.S. scale (pure blue to green with little yellow or brown)"

color 8 is a green with little Yellow or brown but it's not Hazel...

Ok, I' m sorry, probably I didn't read correctly your post.

**Reozek** · 05-09-2013, 08:11 PM

Originally Posted by yankeesfan0130

The answer to the original question is no.

Light traits in southern Europe is from Up types. And those UP types are native to southern Europe also.

so the theory that nearly all the paleolithic population of Southern Europe was replaced by neolithic immigrants from the south-east is completely false ?

**ChocolateFace** · 05-09-2013, 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by Reozek

so the theory that nearly all the paleolithic population of Southern Europe was replaced by neolithic immigrants from the south-east is completely false ?

Yes. They mixed with each other.