Are light traits in Southern Europe due to the northern European admixture ?

[Baluarte]

are you kidding? bigs and huge shitstorms have unleashed on The Apricity for much less than that.

I think the obsession about irrelevant stuff like this, (which truth be told reminds me of women arguing about make-up colours) is the reason for which Apricity can't attract more and more cultured members for the political/historical/news sections :S

[ABest]

I just quoted what he said, there's no personal opinion there.

Oh, OK.

[Reozek]

Are you trying to link the Dorians with Gheg Albanians and Montenegrins?

Also, for everyone here, please note that the Dorian invasion has historicity but did not happen as the ancients described it, as no archaeological evidence exists for such an invasion. It most likely represents population movements within Greece rather than an invasion. In fact, the Dorian invasion was an attempt to explain how the remnants of Mycenaean Greece transitioned into the early Classical era through the Greek Dark Ages. In other words, it was more likely than not an attempt to explain the evolution of Mycenaean Greek traditions into the classical ones.

So don't try to depict "Dorians" as some sort of blond Ubermensch invading from the far-north or something.

it's a fact that in late mycenaean times cremation and central european type of weapons appeared in greece , however it's not 100% sure that these innovations were imported by the "ancestors of the Dorians" or rather by few northern immigrants that had been absorbed by the autochthonous population

http://books.google.it/books?id=zAY4...page&q&f=false

[ABest]

it's a fact that in late mycenaean times cremation and central european type of weapons appeared in greece , anyways it's not 100% sure that these innovations were imported by the "ancestors of the Dorians" or rather by few northern immigrants that had been absorbed by the autochthonous population

http://books.google.it/books?id=zAY4...page&q&f=false

Yes, I agree, population movements from central Europe were inevitable at all times, though not at very large scales, as you said.

[Reozek]

I think the obsession about irrelevant stuff like this, (which truth be told reminds me of women arguing about make-up colours) is the reason for which Apricity can't attract more and more cultured members for the political/historical/news sections :S

this thread is actually focused on history (at least in the beginning) , % of blond hair , light eyes etc alone are almost irrelevant , just a curiosity , anyway they can help to trace migration happened in prehistoric/historical times..

[Cristiano viejo]

In my family,

My father: dark hair and brown eyes.
My mother: blonde hair and light green eyes.
My sister: blonde hair and brown eyes.
My son: blonde hair and blue eyes.
My nephew: blonde hair and blue eyes.
My paternal grandpas: both brown hair and eyes.
My maternal grandpas: he had light brown and green eyes, and she had dark hair and blue eyes.
My maternal uncles: Two of them are blonde and light green eyes. One of them dark and brown eyes.
My cousins: Two of them are blonde and light green eyes. Four of them are dark/brown eyes/hair.
Cousins of my mother: One of them is blonde hair and blue eyes. Three of them are brown hair/eyes.
Uncle of my mother: Brown hair and green eyes.
This is all my family that I know
From 23 people, 11 of them have light traits.

[Jackson]

I think light traits have always been in southern Europe, although they will have no doubt been increased a bit if northerners came to settle in the south.

[Baluarte]

I think light traits have always been in southern Europe, although they will have no doubt been increased a bit if northerners came to settle in the south.

That is the simple truth.

Even in the Spanish ex-colonies light traits exist from the native stock of people. My mother has emerald green eyes, my great grandmother has bluegreen eyes, and even though I never met him, my great grandfather had light brown hair and blue eyes.

Other than marginal German blood in the region, no North European genetics exist.

[Jackson]

That is the simple truth.

Even in the Spanish ex-colonies light traits exist from the native stock of people. My mother has emerald green eyes, my great grandmother has bluegreen eyes, and even though I never met him, my great grandfather had light brown hair and blue eyes.

Other than marginal German blood in the region, no North European genetics exist.

True. According to IBD done last year i think, the Iberian peninsula has been relatively stable over the last few thousand years.

[Peyrol]

That is the simple truth.

Even in the Spanish ex-colonies light traits exist from the native stock of people. My mother has emerald green eyes, my great grandmother has bluegreen eyes, and even though I never met him, my great grandfather had light brown hair and blue eyes.

Other than marginal German blood in the region, no North European genetics exist.

There are also indigenous people with mixed/light eyes...