Not for the faint hearted!!!!!

[Beorn]

However there's still a couple of points I'd like to address: the force with which the human heart pumps blood into the brain is fearsome. If the throat is cut, or the head severed, it does take the heart at least a few seconds (often more) to get the message. I didn't see it happening here.

Continuing from SuuT, but I have seen quite a few of these beheading videos in my time and each one is always thought fake by people because of the lack of blood.
Each beheading is as gruesome as the next, but each one is proven real and verified; and each one has not had half the amount of blood one would have thought there should be.

[Brynhild]

I got as far as the neck being sawed, and I couldn't watch any more. I see no honour or glory in this act of cowardice. They're scums of the earth who deserve a dose of their own medicine!

[SuuT]

Continuing from SuuT, but I have seen quite a few of these beheading videos in my time and each one is always thought fake by people because of the lack of blood.
Each beheading is as gruesome as the next, but each one is proven real and verified; and each one has not had half the amount of blood one would have thought there should be.

It's probably also of signifigance to note that the shock is so severe that the heart would very likely seize, if not stop, after the first couple strokes; thereby, the blood 'pours' as opposed to spurts as the jugular is severed. Further, leaving perhaps the majority in the extremeties that were ready for fight-or-flight.

[Jägerstaffel]

I've seen the video before and I've seen 'snuff' videos, beheadings, executions, suicides , and like those before me in the thread have said - they all look fake even when you know for a fact that they're real. We've grown accustomed to thinking that blood splatters or goes flying like it does in movies and when we imagine it (not as ridiculous as Kill Bill or anything though) though that's not always the case.

Anyone seen the video of the guy behind the police cruiser with the bomb around his neck? That's not what I would have thought a human head exploding would look like - or sound like for that matter.

As for the morality behind this; I think it's disgusting, shocking, appauling. But every act of violence and war is disgusting when viewed outside the context. War and violence are emotionally charged actions - you can't necessarily judge objectively.

Don't think I'm defending them though. I'd prefer if there were less uncontrolled beheadings in the world; but I'm no better - as I feel violent criminals deserve violent deaths and I would gladly cheer the execution on for a serial killer or rapist or child predator. Isn't that as bloodthirsty and barbaric as committing the crime? And I don't think I'm the only man who feels that way - I'm just not ashamed to admit it.

I think ALL of our ancestors have committed gruesome unspeakable acts that make this seem tame in comparison. Some would say 'we're above that' as civilized westerners; but I tend to think modern man only thinks he's civilized. We're one foot on the moon and one foot still in the cave.

[Loki]

It's only in the last 200 years or so that Europeans stopped using torture as official punishment. And I mean the likes of these:

Hanged, drawn and quartered

Until reformed under the Treason Act 1814,[2] the full punishment for the crime of treason was to be hanged, drawn and quartered in that the condemned prisoner would be:

1. Dragged on a hurdle (a wooden frame) to the place of execution. This is one possible meaning of drawn. The more likely meaning of Drawn is the act of disembowelment.

2. Hanged by the neck for a short time or until almost dead (hanged).

3. Disembowelled and emasculated and the genitalia and entrails burned before the condemned's eyes.

4. The body divided into four parts, then beheaded (quartered).

Typically, the resulting five parts (i.e. the four quarters of the body and the head) were gibbeted (put on public display) in different parts of the city, town, or, in famous cases, in the country, to deter would-be traitors who had not seen the execution. After 1814, the convict would be hanged until dead and the mutilation would be performed post-mortem. Gibbeting was later abolished in England in 1843, while drawing and quartering was abolished in 1870.

The French method:

In France, the traditional punishment for regicide (whether attempted or completed) under the ancien régime (known in French as écartèlement) is often described as "quartering", though it in fact has little to do with the English punishment. The process was as follows: the regicide offender would be first tortured with red-hot pincers, then the hand with which the crime was committed would be burned, with sulphur, molten lead, wax, and boiling oil poured into the wounds. The quartering would be accomplished by the attachment of the condemned's limbs to horses, who would then tear them away from the body. Finally, the often still-living torso would be burned.

The ordinary man on the street loved watching these gruesome public executions. Some witness accounts:

To my Lord's in the morning, where I met with Captain Cuttance, but my Lord not being up I went out to Charing Cross, to see Major-general Harrison hanged, drawn, and quartered; which was done there, he looking as cheerful as any man could do in that condition. He was presently cut down, and his head and heart shown to the people, at which there was great shouts of joy.

[Æmeric]

I only watched the first man being beheaded, it looked real & I felt dirty watching it is.

Beheading has never been an acceptable way of killing (in combat or executing convicts) in the US - except maybe by some of the more savage Indians. Hanging had been the prefered method of execution before the electric chair. We didn't even burn our witches but hanged them & it was the prefered way of getting rid of troublesome Negroes. The firing squad or single shot to the head is another means of execution that has been used in the US.

I'm aware the English used beheading at one time (Charles I, Anne Boleyn & Catherine Howard etc..) but it never made it's way across the Atlantic. And even in England the executioner was usually a specialist in beheading to make it less messy.

[Beorn]

The ordinary man on the street loved watching these gruesome public executions. Some witness accounts:

Reminds me of Rome and her state endorsed spectacles within the arenas dotted throughout the empire.

Cicero and others, notably Seneca, although great admirers of the Gladiator values and virtues, were clearly against the blood lust with which the common people would indulge themselves in, which is clearly laid out in Seneca's 'letter to Lucilius'.

[Eldritch]

I've just done a little Googling and indeed it would seem the video is real. They've apparently identified one of the victims and detained someone they suspect of being of the masked men in the video.

Russian Video Shows Apparent Extremist Killings

A Russian ultranationalist group has posted a video on the Internet that appears to show the execution-style killing of two men from Central Asia and the Caucasus.

Two men are seen kneeling on the ground in a forest, their arms and legs tied up. A large flag with a Nazi swastika stands in the background.

"We've been arrested by the Russian National Socialists," one of the two men says.

A third man walks up to the captives and beheads one of them with a knife. The second captive is shot in the head and falls forward into a freshly dug grave.

Two masked men then raise their arms in a Nazi salute.

Killings Appear Real

This the content of a two-minute video posted on the Internet by a little-known Russian organization calling itself National Socialism/White Power.

The video identifies the two captives as "colonists from Tajikistan and Daghestan."

It appeared on the Internet on August 12 but has since been pulled from most websites.

This is not the first time a Russian hate-crime video has been posted on the Internet. But antiracism experts say that while most of the slayings shown on these videos appear to have been staged, the latest footage seems very genuine.

"This film is the not the first of its kind, there have been other similar ones, says Vladimir Pribylovsky, the head of the Panorama political think tank in Moscow. "While the other films were probably fabricated, it's hard to say with this one."

The video has caused an outcry among human-rights activists in Russia and drawn heated debate on Internet blogs.


The Interior Ministry has reportedly opened a probe into the video's content. The Prosecutor-General's Office has yet to comment on the case.

Shohin Samadov, a representative of the Russian-based organization Migration and Rights, believes prosecutors have no alternative but to launch a thorough investigation.

"This case involves a Tajik and a Russian citizen," Samadov says. "I think that even if they don't do anything for the Tajik citizen, they will try -- for the sake of the Russian citizen -- to bring [perpetrators] to justice. It has become a high-profile case. It is all over the Internet, and everyone in Moscow knows about it."

Officials Reluctant To Crack Down

Russian prosecutors say they opened a criminal investigation into the video's content.

But Svetlana Gannushkina, chairwoman of the Civic Assistance committee for refugees and forced migrants, tells RFE/RL's Russian Service that Russian authorities remain reluctant to crack down on racially motivated attacks.

"Every day, people tell us about similar cases," she says. "This is taking on massive proportions. And the stance of law-enforcement and judicial organs is clear -- for every such case, we have to fight to obtain a normal investigation and a sentence against [perpetrators]."

Russia has seen a surge in hate crimes in past years, most of which target people from Central Asia and the Caucasus.

According to Sova, a Russian group that monitors racially motivated crimes, 37 people have been killed so far this year in racist attacks -- a 22 percent increase over the same period last year.

Few perpetrators of hate crimes have been brought to justice, as prosecutors continue to charge most assailants with "hooliganism" -- a charge that carries relatively light sentences.

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Russian Hate Crime: Brutal Beheading Caught on Tape, Case Solved?

By Yasha Levine

Last summer, I grossed out a bunch of my guests at a small party I had at my apartment. We watched a gruesome beheading video that was posted on the Internet that day. The video showed two masked Russian skinheads performing a ritual execution of what appeared to be two Caucasian gastarbeiters. Both were gagged and bound with ropes. One was beheaded with a long, dull knife, while the other was shot. The video was truly revolting. It took the killer a while to fully sever the head of his victim, and all the while you could see the raw fear in the man’s eyes and hear him gurgling his own blood in his trachea. It was the worst snuff footage that I had ever seen. I managed to download the video from some obscure Russian white power site up before the Russian government moved in to cleanse the net of its nauseating presence.

At the time, Russian police brushed off the video as a hoax. It sure didn’t seem that way, especially when a Dagestani family identified the beheaded man as their relative. Just imagine: your friend is browsing the Internet at your house when he stumbles upon the video and says: “Hey Abdul, isn’t that your third cousin, what’s his name. You know, the one that went to Moscow to find a job last spring? Dude, I think he got his head cut off.”

Fucking brutal.

Initially, the police wouldn’t pursue the matter, making them silent accomplices in the race crime tsunami that’s hit Russia in the past few years. But now it seems they nabbed four suspects in relation to the two murders.

Here’s what the Moscow Times had to say about it:

A senior Interior Ministry official said four suspects had been detained in connection with a horrific video showing the execution of two men that was circulated on the Internet last year.

The video, which appeared on ultranationalist web sites under the title “The Execution of a Tajik and a Dagestani,” showed two dark-skinned men kneeling, bound and gagged in front of a Nazi flag. The two men say, “Russian national-socialists have arrested us,” before masked men cut one man’s head off and shoot the other at point-blank range.

Boris Miroshnikov, head of the Interior Ministry’s hi-tech crimes department, told Rossiiskaya Gazeta in an interview published Wednesday that four suspects had been detained. He did not elaborate.

It’s still too early to tell if they’ll get a conviction, but the kid who first posted this video got one year in the slammer. So they’ll at least get two or three, maybe even four years. And by Russian standards, that’s a serious punishment.

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