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    My 4 Ancestors Oracle:
    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Hungarian @ 5.690
    2 Serbian @ 10.159
    3 Ukrainian_West @ 10.823
    4 Austrian @ 11.498
    5 Ukrainian @ 12.047
    6 Polish @ 12.259
    7 Romanian @ 12.456
    8 Bulgarian @ 15.618
    9 Russian @ 16.984
    10 Ukrainian_Northeast @ 17.503
    165 iterations.



    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% Hungarian +50% Hungarian @ 5.690
    2 50% Serbian +50% Ukrainian_West @ 5.917
    3 50% Romanian +50% Ukrainian_West @ 5.926
    4 50% Romanian +50% Ukrainian @ 5.997
    5 50% Serbian +50% Ukrainian @ 6.377
    6 50% Bulgarian +50% Estonian @ 6.381
    7 50% Estonian +50% Romanian @ 6.634
    8 50% Hungarian +50% Serbian @ 6.696
    9 50% Polish +50% Romanian @ 6.777
    10 50% Hungarian +50% Romanian @ 6.919
    13695 iterations.



    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% Hungarian +25% Romanian +25% Ukrainian_West @ 4.797
    2 50% Ukrainian_West +25% Greek +25% Swedish @ 4.875
    3 50% Hungarian +25% Bulgarian +25% Ukrainian_West @ 4.889
    4 50% Hungarian +25% Romanian +25% Ukrainian @ 4.902
    5 50% Hungarian +25% Bulgarian +25% Ukrainian @ 4.960
    6 50% Hungarian +25% Estonian +25% Greek @ 5.047
    7 50% Ukrainian_West +25% Greek +25% Norwegian @ 5.141
    8 50% Romanian +25% Estonian +25% Hungarian @ 5.162
    9 50% Ukrainian +25% Greek +25% Swedish @ 5.221
    10 50% Hungarian +25% Bulgarian +25% Estonian @ 5.286
    486186 iterations.



    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 Hungarian + Hungarian + Romanian + Ukrainian_West @ 4.797
    2 Greek + Swedish + Ukrainian_West + Ukrainian_West @ 4.875
    3 Bulgarian + Hungarian + Hungarian + Ukrainian_West @ 4.889
    4 Hungarian + Hungarian + Romanian + Ukrainian @ 4.902
    5 Bulgarian + Hungarian + Hungarian + Ukrainian @ 4.960
    6 Greek + Swedish + Ukrainian + Ukrainian_West @ 5.012
    7 Estonian + Greek + Hungarian + Hungarian @ 5.047
    8 Greek + Norwegian + Ukrainian_West + Ukrainian_West @ 5.141
    9 Estonian + Hungarian + Romanian + Romanian @ 5.162
    10 Greek + Swedish + Ukrainian + Ukrainian @ 5.221
    11 Bulgarian + Estonian + Hungarian + Hungarian @ 5.286
    12 Hungarian + Hungarian + Serbian + Ukrainian_West @ 5.288
    13 Greek + Norwegian + Ukrainian + Ukrainian_West @ 5.297
    14 Estonian + Hungarian + Tuscan + Ukrainian_West @ 5.307
    15 Hungarian + Tuscan + Ukrainian_West + Ukrainian_West @ 5.338
    16 Hungarian + Hungarian + Hungarian + Romanian @ 5.352
    17 Hungarian + Tuscan + Ukrainian + Ukrainian_West @ 5.359
    18 Estonian + Greek + Hungarian + Ukrainian_West @ 5.379
    19 Bulgarian + Estonian + Hungarian + Romanian @ 5.390
    20 Hungarian + Hungarian + Polish + Romanian @ 5.398

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    My Oracle X:
    Option 1
    Pct. Calc. Option 1

    1 Ukrainian_West 41.92%
    2 Hungarian 37.31%
    3 Armenian 8.29%
    4 Swedish 7.21%
    5 Sardinian 5.27%
    6 Greek 0.00%
    7 Romanian 0.00%
    8 Ashkenazi 0.00%
    9 Ukrainian 0.00%
    10 Bulgarian 0.00%

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    0 Unable to determine 0.02%
    1 Hungarian 48.33%
    2 Ukrainian_West 8.84%
    3 Armenian 6.86%
    4 Ukrainian 6.30%
    5 Estonian 5.92%
    6 Polish 5.90%
    7 Cyprian 5.62%
    8 Swedish 4.62%
    9 Lithuanian 4.14%
    10 Sardinian 3.43%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sippola View Post
    # Population Percent
    1 North_Sea 26.08
    2 Baltic 24.51
    3 Eastern_Euro 23.69
    4 Atlantic 17.61
    5 Siberian 6.86
    6 Amerindian 1.25


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    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 East_Finnish @ 4.394
    2 Finnish @ 7.270
    3 Southwest_Finnish @ 9.976
    4 Kargopol_Russian @ 10.127
    5 Estonian @ 10.326
    6 Belorussian @ 13.242
    7 Polish @ 13.456
    8 Ukrainian @ 13.563
    9 Russian @ 13.566
    10 Erzya @ 14.349
    165 iterations.



    Using 2 populations approximation:
    1 50% East_Finnish +50% East_Finnish @ 4.394
    2 50% East_Finnish +50% Finnish @ 4.885
    3 50% Finnish +50% Kargopol_Russian @ 5.020
    4 50% East_Finnish +50% Estonian @ 5.220
    5 50% Kargopol_Russian +50% Southwest_Finnish @ 5.477
    6 50% East_Finnish +50% Southwest_Finnish @ 5.821
    7 50% Erzya +50% Southwest_Finnish @ 5.913
    8 50% Erzya +50% Finnish @ 6.361
    9 50% East_Finnish +50% Kargopol_Russian @ 6.415
    10 50% Erzya +50% North_Swedish @ 6.663
    13695 iterations.



    Using 3 populations approximation:
    1 50% East_Finnish +25% East_Finnish +25% Estonian @ 3.788
    2 50% East_Finnish +25% East_Finnish +25% Finnish @ 4.305
    3 50% East_Finnish +25% Estonian +25% Finnish @ 4.386
    4 50% East_Finnish +25% East_Finnish +25% East_Finnish @ 4.394
    5 50% East_Finnish +25% Finnish +25% Kargopol_Russian @ 4.403
    6 50% Finnish +25% East_Finnish +25% Kargopol_Russian @ 4.426
    7 50% East_Finnish +25% Kargopol_Russian +25% Southwest_Finnish @ 4.445
    8 50% East_Finnish +25% Finnish +25% Lithuanian @ 4.474
    9 50% East_Finnish +25% East_Finnish +25% Lithuanian @ 4.479
    10 50% East_Finnish +25% Belorussian +25% Finnish @ 4.486
    201512 iterations.



    Using 4 populations approximation:
    1 East_Finnish + East_Finnish + East_Finnish + Estonian @ 3.788
    2 East_Finnish + East_Finnish + East_Finnish + Finnish @ 4.305
    3 East_Finnish + East_Finnish + Estonian + Finnish @ 4.386
    4 East_Finnish + East_Finnish + East_Finnish + East_Finnish @ 4.394
    5 East_Finnish + East_Finnish + Finnish + Kargopol_Russian @ 4.403
    6 East_Finnish + Finnish + Finnish + Kargopol_Russian @ 4.426
    7 East_Finnish + East_Finnish + Kargopol_Russian + Southwest_Finnish @ 4.445
    8 East_Finnish + East_Finnish + Finnish + Lithuanian @ 4.474
    9 East_Finnish + East_Finnish + East_Finnish + Lithuanian @ 4.479
    10 Belorussian + East_Finnish + East_Finnish + Finnish @ 4.486
    11 Belorussian + East_Finnish + East_Finnish + East_Finnish @ 4.494
    12 East_Finnish + East_Finnish + East_Finnish + Southwest_Finnish @ 4.496
    13 East_Finnish + East_Finnish + Estonian + Southwest_Finnish @ 4.560
    14 East_Finnish + Erzya + Finnish + Southwest_Finnish @ 4.563
    15 East_Finnish + East_Finnish + Lithuanian + Southwest_Finnish @ 4.575
    16 East_Finnish + Erzya + Finnish + Finnish @ 4.606
    17 East_Finnish + Estonian + Finnish + Kargopol_Russian @ 4.653
    18 East_Finnish + Finnish + Kargopol_Russian + Southwest_Finnish @ 4.665
    19 East_Finnish + East_Finnish + Estonian + Kargopol_Russian @ 4.679
    20 East_Finnish + Estonian + Kargopol_Russian + Southwest_Finnish @ 4.680
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruben View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atlantic Islander View Post
    Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Admixture Proportions

    Atlantic 28.61%
    North_Sea 23.08%
    West_Med 21.18%

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    East_Med 12.34%
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    Red_Sea 3.37%
    Baltic 3.17%
    Eastern_Euro 2.60%
    Northeast_African 2.14%
    West_Asian 1.21%

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    Sub-Saharan 0.80%
    Siberian 0.59%
    Amerindian 0.45%
    Oceanian 0.42%
    South_Asian -
    Southeast_Asian -




    Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results

    Admix Results (sorted):


    # Population Percent
    1 Atlantic 28.61
    2 North_Sea 23.08
    3 West_Med 21.18
    4 East_Med 12.34
    5 Red_Sea 3.37
    6 Baltic 3.17
    7 Eastern_Euro 2.6
    8 Northeast_African 2.14
    9 West_Asian 1.21
    10 Sub-Saharan 0.8
    11 Siberian 0.59
    12 Amerindian 0.45
    13 Oceanian 0.42
    14 Southeast_Asian 0.04

    Single Population Sharing:


    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Spanish_Murcia 3.72
    2 Portuguese 3.96
    3 Spanish_Extremadura 4.16
    4 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 5.22
    5 Spanish_Cataluna 5.27
    6 Spanish_Galicia 5.71
    7 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 7.1
    8 Spanish_Valencia 7.23
    9 Spanish_Cantabria 7.51
    10 Spanish_Andalucia 7.87
    11 Spanish_Aragon 8.26
    12 North_Italian 9.83
    13 Southwest_French 10.2
    14 French 10.84
    15 Tuscan 15.27
    16 French_Basque 18.06
    17 Southwest_English 18.4
    18 German 19.48
    19 Southeast_English 19.61
    20 Serbian 20.22

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 56.5% Spanish_Murcia + 43.5% Portuguese @ 3.34
    2 74.6% Spanish_Murcia + 25.4% Spanish_Galicia @ 3.37
    3 94.8% Spanish_Murcia + 5.2% Orcadian @ 3.49
    4 95.9% Spanish_Murcia + 4.1% Norwegian @ 3.55
    5 94.7% Spanish_Murcia + 5.3% Southwest_English @ 3.58
    6 91.2% Spanish_Murcia + 8.8% French @ 3.58
    7 95.7% Spanish_Murcia + 4.3% Dutch @ 3.59
    8 96.6% Spanish_Murcia + 3.4% Swedish @ 3.6
    9 95.5% Spanish_Murcia + 4.5% Southeast_English @ 3.6
    10 96.1% Spanish_Murcia + 3.9% West_Scottish @ 3.61
    11 96.1% Spanish_Murcia + 3.9% Danish @ 3.61
    12 96.5% Spanish_Murcia + 3.5% Irish @ 3.64
    13 97.5% Spanish_Murcia + 2.5% North_Swedish @ 3.65
    14 79.9% Spanish_Murcia + 20.1% Spanish_Extremadura @ 3.68
    15 97.8% Spanish_Murcia + 2.2% German @ 3.69
    16 99.4% Spanish_Murcia + 0.6% Ethiopian_Tigray @ 3.69
    17 99.4% Spanish_Murcia + 0.6% Ethiopian_Amhara @ 3.69
    18 99.5% Spanish_Murcia + 0.5% Ethiopian_Wolayta @ 3.7
    19 99.5% Spanish_Murcia + 0.5% Ethiopian_Oromo @ 3.7
    20 99.5% Spanish_Murcia + 0.5% Somali @ 3.7

    Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 4-Ancestors Oracle


    Admix Results (sorted):

    # Population Percent
    1 Atlantic 29.28
    2 North_Sea 23.63
    3 West_Med 21.68
    4 East_Med 12.63
    5 Red_Sea 3.45
    6 Baltic 3.25
    7 Eastern_Euro 2.66
    8 Northeast_African 2.19
    9 West_Asian 1.24


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    Least-squares method.

    Using 1 population approximation:
    1 Spanish_Murcia @ 4.723
    2 Portuguese @ 5.236
    3 Spanish_Extremadura @ 5.293
    4 Spanish_Cataluna @ 6.125
    5 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 6.350
    6 Spanish_Galicia @ 7.088
    7 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 8.270
    8 Spanish_Valencia @ 8.360
    9 Spanish_Cantabria @ 8.719
    10 Spanish_Andalucia @ 9.353
    165 iterations.

    Using 2 populations approximation:

    1 50% Portuguese +50% Spanish_Murcia @ 4.487
    2 50% Spanish_Murcia +50% Spanish_Murcia @ 4.723
    3 50% Spanish_Extremadura +50% Spanish_Murcia @ 4.837
    4 50% Spanish_Galicia +50% Spanish_Murcia @ 4.838
    5 50% Portuguese +50% Spanish_Extremadura @ 5.027
    6 50% Spanish_Cataluna +50% Spanish_Murcia @ 5.088
    7 50% Portuguese +50% Portuguese @ 5.236
    8 50% Spanish_Cataluna +50% Spanish_Extremadura @ 5.253
    9 50% Spanish_Extremadura +50% Spanish_Extremadura @ 5.293
    10 50% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon +50% Spanish_Murcia @ 5.306
    13695 iterations.

    Using 3 populations approximation:

    1 50% Spanish_Murcia +25% Spanish_Galicia +25% Spanish_Murcia @ 4.431
    2 50% Spanish_Murcia +25% Portuguese +25% Spanish_Murcia @ 4.477
    3 50% Portuguese +25% Spanish_Murcia +25% Spanish_Murcia @ 4.487
    4 50% Spanish_Murcia +25% Portuguese +25% Portuguese @ 4.487
    5 50% Spanish_Murcia +25% Portuguese +25% Spanish_Extremadura @ 4.599
    6 50% Spanish_Murcia +25% Portuguese +25% Spanish_Galicia @ 4.601
    7 50% Spanish_Murcia +25% Spanish_Extremadura +25% Spanish_Galicia @ 4.626
    8 50% Spanish_Murcia +25% Portuguese +25% Spanish_Cataluna @ 4.684
    9 50% Portuguese +25% Spanish_Extremadura +25% Spanish_Murcia @ 4.718
    10 50% Spanish_Murcia +25% Spanish_Murcia +25% Spanish_Murcia @ 4.723
    441477 iterations.

    Using 4 populations approximation:

    1 Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 4.431
    2 Portuguese + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 4.477
    3 Portuguese + Portuguese + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 4.487
    4 Portuguese + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 4.599
    5 Portuguese + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 4.601
    6 Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 4.626
    7 Portuguese + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 4.684
    8 Portuguese + Portuguese + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia @ 4.718
    9 Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 4.723
    10 Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 4.734
    11 Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 4.738
    12 Portuguese + Portuguese + Portuguese + Spanish_Murcia @ 4.754
    13 Portuguese + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 4.803
    14 Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 4.805
    15 Portuguese + Portuguese + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Murcia @ 4.811
    16 Portuguese + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia @ 4.812
    17 Portuguese + Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia @ 4.817
    18 Spanish_Cataluna + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 4.832
    19 Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Extremadura + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 4.837
    20 Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Galicia + Spanish_Murcia + Spanish_Murcia @ 4.838
    1623776 iterations.

    Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle-x Population Fitting

    Pct. Calc. Option 1

    1 Spanish_Murcia 67.03%
    2 Portuguese 26.69%
    3 Orcadian 4.60%
    4 Algerian 1.62%
    5 Spanish_Galicia 0.02%
    6 Moroccan 0.02%
    7 Mozabite_Berber 0.01%
    8 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 0.01%
    9 Spanish_Cataluna 0.00%
    10 Spanish_Extremadura 0.00%

    Pct. Calc. Option 2


    1 Spanish_Murcia 58.13%
    2 Portuguese 18.02%
    3 Orcadian 6.85%
    4 Algerian 6.18%
    5 Spanish_Galicia 5.50%
    6 Spanish_Extremadura 3.14%
    7 Spanish_Cantabria 1.10%
    8 Spanish_Cataluna 1.09%
    9 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 0.00%
    10 French 0.00%
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    Quote Originally Posted by MfA_ View Post
    36.00 West_Asian
    32.96 East_Med
    8.45 South_Asian
    5.81 West_Med
    4.97 Eastern_Euro
    3.72 Red_Sea
    3.50 Atlantic
    2.96 Baltic
    0.92 Siberian
    0.60 Amerindian
    0.11 Northeast_African
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    Single Population Sharing:
    # Population (source) Distance
    1 Kurdish 3.64
    2 Iranian 6.68
    3 Armenian 7.59
    4 Turkish 9.69
    5 Assyrian 10.19
    6 Lebanese_Muslim 16.94
    7 Kumyk 17.91
    8 Syrian 18.84
    9 Cyprian 20.22
    10 Georgian 20.27

    Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
    # Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
    1 78.7% Kurdish + 21.3% Armenian @ 3.11
    2 97.6% Kurdish + 2.4% Sardinian @ 3.39
    3 95.3% Kurdish + 4.7% Cyprian @ 3.5
    4 96.1% Kurdish + 3.9% Abhkasian @ 3.51
    5 91.3% Kurdish + 8.7% Assyrian @ 3.52
    6 96.1% Kurdish + 3.9% Georgian @ 3.54
    7 94% Kurdish + 6% Turkish @ 3.59
    8 97.9% Kurdish + 2.1% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.61
    9 98.4% Kurdish + 1.6% Samaritan @ 3.61
    10 98.5% Kurdish + 1.5% North_Ossetian @ 3.62
    11 98.4% Kurdish + 1.6% Balkar @ 3.62
    12 98.9% Kurdish + 1.1% Greek @ 3.62
    13 98.8% Kurdish + 1.2% Adygei @ 3.63
    14 99% Kurdish + 1% Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.63
    15 98.7% Kurdish + 1.3% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.63
    16 99.6% Kurdish + 0.4% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.63
    17 99.9% Kurdish + 0.1% Tuscan @ 3.64
    18 100% Kurdish + 0% Mozabite_Berber @ 3.64
    19 100% Kurdish + 0% Mayan @ 3.64
    20 100% Kurdish + 0% Algerian @ 3.64
    I have 20 Kurdish GEDmatch IDs and I am the closest one to the reference Kurdish sample with 3.64 distance.

    Pct. Calc. Option 1
    1 Kurdish 70.13%
    2 Armenian 13.24%
    3 Cyprian 7.61%
    4 Abhkasian 6.16%
    5 Brahui 2.73%
    6 Assyrian 0.07%
    7 Sardinian 0.03%
    8 Makrani 0.02%
    9 Balochi 0.01%
    10 Turkish 0.00%

    Pct. Calc. Option 2
    1 Kurdish 69.93%
    2 Armenian 16.36%
    3 Sardinian 4.74%
    4 Abhkasian 3.21%
    5 Iranian 2.44%
    6 Makrani 2.21%
    7 Brahui 1.11%
    8 Turkish 0.00%
    9 Cyprian 0.00%
    10 Balochi 0.00%






    BTW this was posted yesterday..
    Quote Originally Posted by Davidski
    By the way, I'm about to send off new K15 reference populations to GEDmatch, including South Italians, so it's likely your results will shift significantly once they're up.
    Last edited by MfA_; 10-10-2013 at 11:37 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruben View Post
    Why do I have under Oracle ( 1 62.8% Tuscan + 37.2% Irish @ 5.03 ) and under oracle4 (1 50% Southeast_English +50% Tuscan @ 7.105) The difference between those 2 are at least 12.8 %.
    Why is there such a difference between those two?
    Oracle-4 removes values below threshold.. In my case values below 0.8% is deleted and new Oracle is calculated..

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    Looks French to me judging by the numbers, not as Mediterranean as typical southern Europeans but not as northern as most Germans, NW French and British etc, and the oracle bears that out of course.

    Maybe southern or south-east France perhaps?

    (Now you'll tell me they are Portuguese! )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackson View Post

    (Now you'll tell me they are Portuguese! )
    Yes, it's a person with all four grandparents from the Azores.

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