Is West Asian a European component?

[Prince Carlo]

Greece is 50% West Asian so are South Italians:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...rive_web#gid=5

Reality is they are not 100% European. If West Asian is a European component then Turks, Armenians, Georgians, Persians would all be European.

Georgians and Iranians score 90% west asian, South Italians score 50% and Germanic/Slavic core groups score 20%. The gap is obvious.

[Styrian Mujo]

West asian admixture originates in west asia therefore it is non "European", the elevated concetration of west Asian admixture in SE Europe is mostly due to immigration from the eastern mediterranean within the last 2000/3000 years but also due to the neolithic expansion of farmers.

[orangepulp]

50% is for small minority of Greeks/Italians and person can't look European if WA genes exceeds certain limit like 35% (assume).

Striking out Greeks and Italians is a shameful act since they are kind of founding fathers of Europe..

If West Asian component exceeds 50% on average in Turks, Armenians, Georgians, Persians, so majority wont look Euro..
Some minorities of aforementioned groups could look Euro if WA component is not much..

Shameful act!! This is the reality, go look at the spreadsheet I posted.

West Asian added together is the Caucasus, Southwest Asian and Gedrosia components. Caucasus component is the highest none European component Greeks have with 37.4%.

Greeks do have West Asian ancestry hence why there is phenotypical overlap between Greeks and other West Asians.

[orangepulp]

Georgians and Iranians score 90% west asian, South Italians score 50% and Germanic/Slavic core groups score 20%. The gap is obvious.

50% is a significant percentage.

[GrebluBro]

Shameful act!! This is the reality, go look at the spreadsheet I posted.

West Asian added together is the Caucasus, Southwest Asian and Gedrosia components. Caucasus component is the highest none European component Greeks have with 37.4%.

Greeks do have West Asian ancestry hence why there is phenotypical overlap between Greeks and other West Asians.

I didn't see your spreadsheet but I am pretty sure which one you are referring.

I meant shameful act in the sense that even if Greeks/Italians are genetically quite different , they will remain Europeans because they are the founding fathers of Europe..


37.4% or any percent is obvious among Greeks and pretty much no one will decline that Greeks/Italians got West Asian genes.

We may consider limit in the percent of West-Asian gene as criteria to consider who is European..
we can't abruptly say whoever with visisble West Asian is not European,
1/3 of Europeans won't be EUropean if we do so.

[Insuperable]

Shameful act!! This is the reality, go look at the spreadsheet I posted.

West Asian added together is the Caucasus, Southwest Asian and Gedrosia components. Caucasus component is the highest none European component Greeks have with 37.4%.

Greeks do have West Asian ancestry hence why there is phenotypical overlap between Greeks and other West Asians.

Why do you think that Caucasus is non-European one when it is neither non-European nor European?

[orangepulp]

I didn't see your spreadsheet but I am pretty sure which one you are referring.

I meant shameful act in the sense that even if Greeks/Italians are genetically quite different , they will remain Europeans because they are the founding fathers of Europe..


37.4% or any percent is obvious among Greeks and pretty much no one will decline that Greeks/Italians got West Asian genes.

We may consider limit in the percent of West-Asian gene as criteria to consider who is European..
we can't abruptly say whoever with visisble West Asian is not European,
1/3 of Europeans won't be EUropean if we do so.

Spreadsheet:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...rive_web#gid=5

I didn't deny Greeks European identity. I was talking in the genetic sense that Greeks are 50% none Europeans according to Dodecad K12b. The objective of this thread was not to put Greeks on the spot light but to prove West Asian is not a European component. Some people were classifying West Asian as European due to its abundance in Southern Europe. Just because West Asian is significant in Southern European populations it doesn't make it a European component.

[Gaston]

Well, you guys aren't up-to-date: there was a huge revolution 3 days ago in Eurasian population genetics. According to the last paper on ancient genomes from Europe, West Asian is definitely non-European. It's also lacking in North Africa (Egypt excluded) and East Africa, which means it came very recently in the Near East (and Europe) after the Neolithic expansions. The West Asian component is often close to the North European because it has non-West Eurasian admixture in it too (Ancient North Eurasian) and maybe some other minor stuff too.

Finally, there is no component specific to Europe today, except maybe some Mesolithic Hunter Gatherers who also were purely West Eurasian (Lochsbour). The rest is non-West Eurasian (ANE like the Mal'ta boy, Ancient North Eurasian which also contributed to West Asians and Native Americans) and Early Europan Farmers (who were a West Eurasian/Basal Eurasian hybrid, like Neolithic Stuttgart).

[GrebluBro]

Spreadsheet:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...rive_web#gid=5

I didn't deny Greeks European identity. I was talking in the genetic sense that Greeks are 50% none Europeans according to Dodecad K12b. The objective of this thread was not to put Greeks on the spot light but to prove West Asian is not a European component. Some people were classifying West Asian as European due to its abundance in Southern Europe. Just because West Asian is significant in Southern European populations it doesn't make it a European component.

I have mastered that sheet already,
it says North-western Indians are about 25% European




=> disregard that sheet

[orangepulp]

Why do you think that Caucasus is non-European one when it is neither non-European nor European?

Because Caucasus ( sometimes referred to as West Asian) populations are not genetically close to Europeans if you check the PCA plots: