Gay man lashed 20 times in Nigeria for sodomy

[KidMulat]

plz go dude...homosexuality was always punished or ostracized, nothing to do with Saudis.

Africans whether christian, muslim or pagan usually administer 'street justice' by an angered mob to people convicted of sodomy or homosexual acts...So Idk where KidMulat is coming up with his idealic Africa full of gay tolerance before the mythical Saudis showed up. Homosexuality was always underground and tolerated in niche roles, just like everywhere else in the world

Mythic Africa? The distinction of sexuality as we say (i.e. Homosexual, bisexual, heterosexual) are constructs and I do not speak in that manner when talking about pre-existing social institutions.

You cannot deny the absolute sheer volume of evidence and research on the subject; neither can it be denied the very "queer" setting Vodou, Santeria, Candomble, Nkisi, and predecessors in Benin, Yorubaland, Hausaland, KiKongo had gender and sexually variant people playing intricate and broad roles in their cultures.

Regardless of what you have to say the fact is Maguzawa religion was the main Religion of Hausaland in the pre Islamic period and they had been able to exist still within the fabric of the religion up until what? 30 years ago with the deconstruction of Traditional Livelihoods with the first generation of truly urbanized people's?

Within those 30 years Sharia law has been pushed but especially in the last 10 even though the particular form of Islam practiced broadly speaking has syncretised with ATR in a quite stable way for nearly 700 years

You said yourself that I know more than you on Quranic texts position of gender variant and homosexual people; I am not imagining anything.

From Francisco Manicongo to Mwanga II of Buganda it has existed and always will on the continent.

[Not a Cop]

may i note the president of Nigeria is in fact a CHRISTIAN.

There is much more interesting facts about him - his name is Goodluck Jonathan

And looks like a cross between black church priest and rap singer, although this two jobs are kinda similar in some ways.

[Wadaad]

Would you say peoples perceptions are purely based on religious fervor and belief or do such things go against culture too, being gay i mean.

I mean, i myself, am perfectly straight and i regard everyones lives and decisions as their own, but i wish people didn't have to die in such circumstances, not all countries cultures are accepting of such things and i accept that also because that's just how it is.

When it comes to Africans, I think religious proscriptions are just a veneer to legitimize an inherent abhorrence to the effects of sodomy within a community. Both men and women feel threatened, disgusted and afraid that its prevalence will spell doom for the moral and physical health of their community.

In the west, the Individual's rights supercede that of the community's...its the other way around in the rest of the world.

[Wadaad]

Mythic Africa? The distinction of sexuality as we say (i.e. Homosexual, bisexual, heterosexual) are constructs and I do not speak in that manner when talking about pre-existing social institutions.

You cannot deny the absolute sheer volume of evidence and research on the subject; neither can it be denied the very "queer" setting Vodou, Santeria, Candomble, Nkisi, and predecessors in Benin, Yorubaland, Hausaland, KiKongo had gender and sexually variant people playing intricate and broad roles in their cultures.

Regardless of what you have to say the fact is Maguzawa religion was the main Religion of Hausaland in the pre Islamic period and they had been able to exist still within the fabric of the religion up until what? 30 years ago with the deconstruction of Traditional Livelihoods with the first generation of truly urbanized people's?

Within those 30 years Sharia law has been pushed but especially in the last 10 even though the particular form of Islam practiced broadly speaking has syncretised with ATR in a quite stable way for nearly 700 years

You said yourself that I know more than you on Quranic texts position of gender variant and homosexual people; I am not imagining anything.

From Francisco Manicongo to Mwanga II of Buganda it has existed and always will on the continent.

All true but all underground aspects...Im sure even child sacrifice still goes on in some places, doesnt mean such acts are celebrated or talked about in polite community...

[LightHouse89]

well this is how they deal with unnatural behavior. Africans refuse to allow their culture to be sodomized by liberal western values. Homosexuality is unnatural....you do not need islam to prove this.

[LightHouse89]

When it comes to Africans, I think religious proscriptions are just a veneer to legitimize an inherent abhorrence to the effects of sodomy within a community. Both men and women feel threatened, disgusted and afraid that its prevalence will spell doom for the moral and physical health of their community.

In the west, the Individual's rights supercede that of the community's...its the other way around in the rest of the world.

you hit the nail with the hammer. its extreme but necessary in their society to preserve their traditional values. if westerners did this to homosexuals then it would be a huge outrage. The only western like countries rejecting this unnatural behavior is Russia, Georgia and Armenia and maybe some other eastern European countries.

[LightHouse89]

he is a legit G. unlike American rappers.

[KidMulat]

All true but all underground aspects...Im sure even child sacrifice still goes on in some places, doesnt mean such acts are celebrated or talked about in polite community...

When it comes to Africans, I think religious proscriptions are just a veneer to legitimize an inherent abhorrence to the effects of sodomy within a community. Both men and women feel threatened, disgusted and afraid that its prevalence will spell doom for the moral and physical health of their community.

In the west, the Individual's rights supercede that of the community's...its the other way around in the rest of the world.

Waraka who you foolin'? Blood Sacrifice utilizing people but especially freeborn children would be reserved for ceremonies of the highest order (like the Yearly sacrifice of a bull during the Temple period of Judaism) or in time of extreme spiritual duress (extreme multi year drought/plague/famine).

The nature of Yan Duadu and other like groups as noted in the first link is a kind of Sanankuya or Joking Relationship; in Vodou its percieved as natural but also as a kind of joke of the Lwa but its not a ridicule its more like when someone places The Dozens but it was never hated.

To be sure the banter went both ways as strangely enough wordy and wittiness seems to be near universal among gender variant people and is actually a feature that still exists in Afro Diasporic faith.

To say that there was a natural inclination towards disgust is placing your own morality into the equation as no anthropologist from the early accounts state that and as certain sexual practices still occurs among Khoisan, Swazi and Damara one is left still not seeing the reaction your talking about other than from evangelized groups.

To say it was all underground doesn't explain why they openly partnered, openly adopted, and openly walked about in clothing not of their assigned at birth gender; it does not explain why it transcends caste, and class or incorporated into the age based stages of male and female initiation or continued in the New World creating some of the most prominent Babalawos in Cuba or how entire temples are run by "lesbians" and "gays".

Like no Waadaad, your opinion is not based on the anthropological record at all.

[Loki]

well this is how they deal with unnatural behavior. Africans refuse to allow their culture to be sodomized by liberal western values. Homosexuality is unnatural....you do not need islam to prove this.

You are really supporting torture as a method of punishing "unnatural behaviour"? Disgusting.