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    My mum's results:

    # Population Percent
    1 North_Atlantic 54.04
    2 Baltic 24.4
    3 West_Med 9.72
    4 West_Asian 8.09
    5 East_Med 1.88
    6 Amerindian 1.06
    7 South_Asian 0.42
    8 Siberian 0.26
    9 Northeast_African 0.05
    10 Sub-Saharan 0.05
    11 Oceanian 0.03

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    Updated sheet of K13 averages, including paleolithic Siberian Mal'ta and mesolithic Iberian La Braña hunter-gatherers, and new populations like Greeks from Thessaly and Italians from Abruzzo. Polako sent these to Gedmatch and they should appear in Oracle results once the server gets fixed.
    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...ext=true#gid=0

    Two clustering trees based on the averages:




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    Note how East Germans and North Germans cluster with clearly different populations. That's caused by East Germans being clearly more eastern (more Baltic, less North Atlantic) and southern (more mediterranean) than North Germans. They are southern-shifted in comparison to the Poles too, so it's unlikely that this is caused by recent Slavic admixture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Argang View Post
    Note how East Germans and North Germans cluster with clearly different populations. That's caused by East Germans being clearly more eastern (more Baltic, less North Atlantic) and southern (more mediterranean) than North Germans. They are southern-shifted in comparison to the Poles too, so it's unlikely that this is caused by recent Slavic admixture.
    Cool! Looks like Dutch is now divided in North&South Dutch and(as expected) the Northern Dutch are closer to Northern Germans and Danes, the Southern Dutch are closer to Western Germans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hevo View Post
    Cool! Looks like Dutch is now divided in North&South Dutch and(as expected) the Northern Dutch are closer to Northern Germans and Danes, the Southern Dutch are closer to Western Germans.
    Yeah. Both South Dutch and West Germans also seem to pull away from their northern compatriots towards the French so here genetics correlates with geography, perhaps better than in the case of East Germans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hevo View Post
    Cool! Looks like Dutch is now divided in North&South Dutch and(as expected) the Northern Dutch are closer to Northern Germans and Danes, the Southern Dutch are closer to Western Germans.
    The Dutch were clustering with the Danes, perhaps most were North Dutch. I think this makes it better to analyse now.

    Also the Austrians and Hungarians used to be in their own wee group. Now that East Germany is there, it groups Austria with East Germany.

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    North Atlantic Top 20

    West_Scottish 53.18
    French_Basque 52.62
    Irish 52.23
    Southwest_English 51.98
    Orcadian 51.33
    Norwegian 51.15
    Southeast_English 50.52
    North_Dutch 50.45
    Danish 50.04
    Swedish 48.53
    North_German 47.17
    South_Dutch 44.59
    North_Swedish 44.52
    Spanish_Aragon 43.83
    West_German 43.15
    French 42.60
    Southwest_French 42.35
    Spanish_Cantabria 41.80
    Spanish_Cataluna 41.36
    Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 41.09

    Baltic Top 20

    Lithuanian 53.89
    Estonian 50.58
    Erzya 50.51
    East_Finnish 49.54
    Belorussian 49.40
    Estonian_Polish 49.11
    Russian_Smolensk 48.47
    Kargopol_Russian 48.36
    Russian_Voronez 48.35
    Russian_Kursk 48.34
    Finnish 47.69
    Ukrainian_Belgorod 47.29
    Polish 45.49
    Russian_Orel 44.94
    La_Brana-1 44.13
    Southwest_Finnish 43.46
    Chuvash 43.07
    Mari 42.21
    South_Polish 42.03
    Ukrainian_Lviv 41.85

    West Med Top 20

    Sardinian 51.87
    French_Basque 35.86
    Southwest_French 30.54
    Spanish_Aragon 29.79
    Spanish_Cantabria 29.27
    Spanish_Andalucia 29.07
    Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 28.52
    Spanish_Valencia 27.71
    Spanish_Extremadura 26.84
    Spanish_Galicia 26.23
    Spanish_Murcia 26.12
    Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 26.09
    Spanish_Cataluna 25.78
    North_Italian 25.76
    Moroccan 25.34
    Portuguese 25.32
    Mozabite_Berber 24.17
    Tuscan 23.79
    Algerian_Jewish 22.86
    South_Italian 22.77

    East Med Top 20

    Yemenite_Jewish 52.36
    Lebanese_Druze 48.65
    Lebanese_Christian 47.26
    Samaritan 45.52
    Palestinian 43.55
    Saudi 42.83
    Kurdish_Jewish 41.89
    Cyprian 41.08
    Jordanian 40.75
    Lebanese_Muslim 39.73
    Assyrian 39.64
    Tunisian_Jewish 39.64
    Egyptian 39.57
    Libyan_Jewish 38.93
    Italian_Jewish 38.45
    Bedouin 38.16
    Syrian 37.82
    Algerian_Jewish 37.03
    Sephardic_Jewish 36.91
    Georgian_Jewish 36.59

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    Quote Originally Posted by Graham View Post
    The Dutch were clustering with the Danes, perhaps most were North Dutch. I think this makes it better to analyse now.

    Also the Austrians and Hungarians used to be in their own wee group. Now that East Germany is there, it groups Austria with East Germany.
    The clustering you got for La Braña with the old populations didn't change too much in these trees, he still goes closest to populations around northern Baltic Sea.

    All British islander groups are closer to the northern continental germanics than West Germans and South Dutch are. Granted, a Welsh sample is missing, but I think it wouldn't behave differently.

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    Polako suggested that the main branches in the first tree represent a division between Mal'ta (ANE)-influenced West Eurasians and those (usually heavy in Middle Eastern-like Neolithic farmer ancestry) who don't have significant ANE.

    Based on that, I'd say that the division visible in the second tree represents a split between those who have significant Western European hunter-gatherer (La Braña-like) ancestry and those (MENA, East Med and Caucasus) populations who lack it. Iberians, Basques and certain Italians are affiliated with more northern populations (and are closer to La Braña) rather than with the wider Mediterranean region in the second tree, which I think supports the idea.

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    NW Europe. Official, every other area now omitted.

    Edit: I reckon the Swiss would fit in nicely also.

    Last edited by Graham; 03-19-2014 at 06:50 PM.

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