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Interesting find:
-Behar, et al.Fifty-six of the 57 Ashkenazi Jews, the Spanish-exile Jews, and the Moroccan Jew, who shared 16176A, could be assigned to this same lineage. The single Ashkenazi and all other mtDNAs with 16176G did not harbor the mutations at 11928 and 12092. Curiously, the 16176A transversion probably occurred twice in the phylogeny of N1b. Indeed, we have found lineages with 16176A in Slavic-speaking populations both in the Balkans and in Ukraine, but these possessed HVS-I mutations different from those present among the Jews, and they did not harbor the mutations at 11928 and 12092; thus, they are clearly phylogenetically distinct from N1b genomes of the Ashkenazi Jews.
My N1b sequence: 16145A, 16176G, 16209C, 16223T, 16390A, 16391A, 16519C, 73G, 152C, 263G, 315.1CAccording to the Genographic (National Geographic and IBM) Project: "One important sub-group, namely N1b, constitutes one of the four major Ashkenazi Jewish founder lineages. These N1b lineages are characterized by the mutations 16145A, 16176A, 16223T, 16390A, 16519C.
HUZZAH!
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T2 or better known as the Royal T.![]()



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I belong to mtdna J1c...Typically Germanic/Indo-european:
http://www.geneticancestor.com/Forst...estschrift.pdf
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Yay! J1c2 here
Average frequency of J Haplogroup as a whole is highest in the Near East (12%) followed by Europe (11%), Caucasus (8%) and North Africa (6%). Of the two main sub-groups, J1 takes up four-fifths of the total and is spread on the continent while J2 is more localised around the Mediterranean, Greece, Italy/Sardinia and Spain
Within Europe, >2% frequency distribution of mtDNA J is as follows:
J* = Ireland - 12%, England-Wales - 11%, Scotland - 9%, Orkney - 8%, Germany - 7%, Russia (European) - 7%, Iceland - 7%, Austria-Switzerland - 5%, Finland-Estonia - 5%, Spain-Portugal - 4%, France-Italy - 3%
J1a = Austria-Switzerland - 3%
J1b1 = Scotland - 4%
J2 = France-Italy - 2%
J2a = Homogenously spread in Europe. Absent in the nations around the Caucasus. Not known to be found elsewhere.
J2b1 = Virtually absent in Europe. Found in diverse forms in the Near East.



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I'm interested in getting an mtDNA test but I'm not entirely sure who to go with or what to go for.
Am I right in thinking that to fully establish mtDNA haplogroup and subclade, HRV-1, HRV-2 and coding region need to be tested and then there is an additional test for subclade?
Can anyone recommend a good DNA-testing service?
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I'd like to find out. How can I do so?
EDIT: woops, saw the above post *embarassed*



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J no sub clade as the marker only has three exact matches one in the Scottish Highlands, one in East Anglia and one in Germany. Mine seems to have been the continental variety travelling up the Danube and Rhine as opposed to the coastel variety via Spain and into the western British Isles.
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H1b Finland since recorded times
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