I2a in Greece from Slavic Slave Trade

[JQP4545]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_Khanate

It says here that 2 million people from the Ukraine were shipped as slaves to the Ottoman Empire and the Middle East:

For a long time, until the early 18th century, the khanate maintained a massive slave trade with the Ottoman Empire and the Middle East, exporting about 2 million slaves from Russia and Poland-Lithuania over the period 1500–1700.[8] Caffa was one of the best known and significant trading ports and slave markets.[9] In 1769 a last major Tatar raid saw the capture of 20,000 Russian and Ruthenian slaves.

Could that explain the presence of I2a Dinaric-North in Greece?

[Faklon]

That would effect more Anatolia than Greece,no?

Plus I googled that and seems bigger in West-Balkans than Ukraine,maybe it explains the spots in Turkey.

[JQP4545]

That would effect more Anatolia than Greece,no?

Plus I googled that and seems bigger in West-Balkans than Ukraine,maybe it explains the spots in Turkey.

The one in the Balkans is generally Dinaric-South, but the one in Greeks is generally Dinaric-North (Ukraine, Poland, Romania). The Ottomans controlled Greece too, I thought that might explain the incidence of I2 Dinaric-North around Greece and Western Turkey.

[Faklon]

The one in the Balkans is generally Dinaric-South, but the one in Greeks is generally Dinaric-North (Ukraine, Poland, Romania). The Ottomans controlled Greece too, I thought that might explain the incidence of I2 Dinaric-North around Greece and Western Turkey.

I don't know much about it,what's the one in Eastern Anatolia?

Is the Balkanic fully south?

[JQP4545]

I don't know much about it,what's the one in Eastern Anatolia?

Is the Balkanic fully south?

Dinaric South is common in Croatia, Serbia, and Bosnia. Dinaric North is found in Ukraine, Moldova, Southern Poland, and Romania. I'm not entirely sure about the Kurdish version of I2... Greeks tend to be Dinaric-North.

[JQP4545]

Here is a quote from a forum:

They are trying to divide I2a2 (Dinaric) into Dinaric North and Dinaric South based not on SNP, but haplotypes.
Surprisingly, most Bulgarians and Greeks I2a are Dinaric North and have common ancestry with Ukranians and Poles, while most ex Yugoslavians are Dinaric South - see map.

http://www.igenea.com/en/forum/d/hap...2i2a1-i2a2/721

[JQP4545]

The major European languages, including English, used variations of the word "slave", in references to Slavic laborers of Byzantium.

Byzantines also enslaved Slavic peoples from the Ukraine region.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery...pe#Slave_trade

[Faklon]

Dinaric South is common in Croatia, Serbia, and Bosnia. Dinaric North is found in Ukraine, Moldova, Southern Poland, and Romania. I'm not entirely sure about the Kurdish version of I2... Greeks tend to be Dinaric-North.

Maybe Varangians or Russopontics?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varangian_Guard

[JQP4545]

Maybe Varangians or Russopontics?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varangian_Guard

I believe that would be more I1 than I2. Plus a small number of body guards versus hundreds of thousands or millions of slaves entering first the Roman Empire and then the Ottoman empire from the Ukraine/Poland region.

[Faklon]

I believe that would be more I1 than I2. Plus a small number of body guards versus hundreds of thousands or millions of slaves entering first the Roman Empire and then the Ottoman empire from the Ukraine/Poland region.

It doesn't necesarilly have to be recent,anyway.