Are you happy with your haplogroups?

**Black Wolf** · 04-13-2014, 10:48 PM

Yes I am.

**~~Sehnsucht~~** · 04-15-2014, 02:02 AM

Yes, I am very proud of my paternal haplogroup I2b1* (yes, with the star, though I'm not sure what that means), it is a European haplogroup that seems to be consistent with my direct male line being German despite there possibly being Jewish heritage on that side of the family. I thank God I am not a J or something like that. I2b1* is not the most common one in Germany but is more common in Germany than anywhere else. I also share this haplogroup with Hersir, a Norwegian who used to post on the old Skadi Forum. My maternal haplogroup T2b is consistent with my Irish maternal ancestry, I could take it or leave it, I am not overly proud of it but I have no shame in it either.

Although I do not carry my maternal grandfather's YDNA, since between me and him there is a female, my uncle (mother's brother) was recently tested to be R1b1b2a1a, so I know my mother's father must carry this haplogroup as well. This is most common in Western Europe, not as much associated with Germany as it is with France and Spain, but still a European haplogroup nonetheless, and hence consistent with my maternal grandfather's male line being from Germany. Though I do not carry this I identify with it to a lesser extent, I am proud of my grandfather for having this haplogroup since it is associated with European ancestry.

I can only speculate on what maternal haplogroup my maternal granddad was. He did not have sisters, I will not be able to figure out this unless I test a direct female from one of his maternal aunts. My maternal granddad's mom was from Bohemia in the Sudeten German area, H maybe?

Some people discount haplogroups as meaningless information. While it is true that your haplogroup represents only 1 ancestor in millions, your haplogroup can give off a slight clue about where your other ancestors might have lived. Having a European haplogroup certainly does not mean that all your other ancestors were European, but it does indicate European ancestry on other lines, if you can trace your direct paternal or maternal line to Europe then there is a good chance you can trace at least some of your other lines to there as well.

Your haplogroups are an important minority of your DNA preserved and left intact from tens of thousands of years passed down to you. They are legacies. They are part of your identity and represent membership of generations upon generations of consecutive uninterrupted male and female direct lines. A males paternal haplogroup is in a way, like his last name. It is an important part of his identity, an identity passed down from father to son over many generations, for example I'm an I2b1* male, that's part of my identity. Since it is inherited paternally, most people should be able to link their YDNA haplogroup with their surname, for example my I2b1* could be said to be the Wittenberg haplogroup and my uncles R1b1b2a1a the Wessel haplogroup. But unlike surnames, which on direct paternal lines can change in a few generations (typically not, but sometimes), YDNA haplogroup does not.

**Black Wolf** · 04-15-2014, 02:37 AM

Originally Posted by Herr Hesselink

Yes, I am very proud of my paternal haplogroup I2b1* (yes, with the star, though I'm not sure what that means), it is a European haplogroup that seems to be consistent with my direct male line being German despite there possibly being Jewish heritage on that side of the family. I thank God I am not a J or something like that. I2b1* is not the most common one in Germany but is more common in Germany than anywhere else. I also share this haplogroup with Hersir, a Norwegian who used to post on the old Skadi Forum. My maternal haplogroup T2b is consistent with my Irish maternal ancestry, I could take it or leave it, I am not overly proud of it but I have no shame in it either.

Although I do not carry my maternal grandfather's YDNA, since between me and him there is a female, my uncle (mother's brother) was recently tested to be R1b1b2a1a, so I know my mother's father must carry this haplogroup as well. This is most common in Western Europe, not as much associated with Germany as it is with France and Spain, but still a European haplogroup nonetheless, and hence consistent with my maternal grandfather's male line being from Germany. Though I do not carry this I identify with it to a lesser extent, I am proud of my grandfather for having this haplogroup since it is associated with European ancestry.

I can only speculate on what maternal haplogroup my maternal granddad was. He did not have sisters, I will not be able to figure out this unless I test a direct female from one of his maternal aunts. My maternal granddad's mom was from Bohemia in the Sudeten German area, H maybe?

Some people discount haplogroups as meaningless information. While it is true that your haplogroup represents only 1 ancestor in millions, your haplogroup can give off a slight clue about where your other ancestors might have lived. Having a European haplogroup certainly does not mean that all your other ancestors were European, but it does indicate European ancestry on other lines, if you can trace your direct paternal or maternal line to Europe then there is a good chance you can trace at least some of your other lines to there as well.

Your haplogroups are an important minority of your DNA preserved and left intact from tens of thousands of years passed down to you. They are legacies. They are part of your identity and represent membership of generations upon generations of consecutive uninterrupted male and female direct lines. A males paternal haplogroup is in a way, like his last name. It is an important part of his identity, an identity passed down from father to son over many generations, for example I'm an I2b1* male, that's part of my identity. Since it is inherited paternally, most people should be able to link their YDNA haplogroup with their surname, for example my I2b1* could be said to be the Wittenberg haplogroup and my uncles R1b1b2a1a the Wessel haplogroup. But unlike surnames, which on direct paternal lines can change in a few generations (typically not, but sometimes), YDNA haplogroup does not.

What's wrong with Y-DNA haplogroup J?

**MfA_** · 04-17-2014, 01:09 PM

I found out I'm in D clade, so far it has a wide geographical range from Yemen to Europe, but certainly not Arabian or Jewish specific clade. My full matches are a Belgian and a Dutch, and 1GD from an Algerian, Anatolian, French, Utah mormon.

Originally Posted by Musso

I am reading this:

Does this necessarily mean that I have some connection to Greeks and or Albanians?

You could be related to original Armenian language bearers who came from Balkans to the historical Armenia. Which side of your family is European?

**DataType** · 05-18-2014, 08:26 AM

It was mentioned in a few core science classes, though specifics and details of individual haplogroups were not studied at the couple of schools I went in the USA.

**Longbowman** · 05-18-2014, 12:55 PM

My YDNA is a little unusual and I was surprised but it's still cool. My mtDNA is very common among AJs but my mother isn't an AJ, so that was really surprising.

**Graham** · 05-18-2014, 01:30 PM

Sound as a pound. That maternal line goes back in the family tree to Ireland actually.

The Indo-European branches of mtDNA K -- Eupedia

One way to determine which subclades of K were diffused by the Indo-Europeans is to look for subclades that are consistently found in all populations with high levels of haplogroup R1b in Europe, around the Caucasus, in the Near East and in Central Asia.

K1a1a is found all around Central Asia, as well as central and western Europe, and could be linked to R1b. K1c is also common in Central Asia. K1c1 is particularly common in Slavic countries, while K1c2 is more common in Germanic countries. Both could be associated with R1a. The presence of K1c2 has been confirmed in Tajikistan, a country that has 30% of R1a and only 3% of R1b.

K2b was found by Keyser et al. (2009) in Bronze Age samples related to the Andronovo culture from the Krasnoyarskarea in southern Siberia. The male samples tested from the same site belonged R1a. Nowadays K2b is found mostly incentral and north-eastern Europe (R1a countries) and can therefore safely be linked to the diffusion of the R1a branch of the Indo-Europeans.

Data for deep subclades outside Europe is still sparse, but other potential candidates include K1a3 and K2a6. Note that K1a4 was also found among Neolithic farmers in Germany, but since most K1a subclades originated in the Near East it should not be surprising to find overlaps between Neolithic farmers and Bronze Age Indo-European invaders. It is also the most common subclade in Northwest Europe.