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I need a information about Pontid subrace.
Is this true that they look more North European than a true Med ?
Please post pictures of person who are predominately Pontid.
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Here: http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=40947
What are the morphological differences between Pontids and Atlantids?
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I clicked a picture in link and attached image but it said the picture are not available.
I dont know how to answer your question but we'll have to wait for someone to answer that.What are the morphological differences between Pontids and Atlantids?![]()
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Is this bulgarian model a good example of Pontid ? :
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Well, Pontid doesn't look typical Med because they are partly depigmented and look quite different from Med (gracile) in South. By northern (Nordid) i mean Pontid are closer to Nordid than classic Med (gracile).well a TRUE MED looks like a TRUE MED. It definitely doesn't look North European. That would be rather odd.
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what you call "gracile" it is an old fashined term to describe certain med people with small and thin features that was predominant in rural areas of southern europe due to poverty and malnutrition.
Today, an average Iberian of 18-30 years old is about 180 cm tall (many of them actually top that) and the gracile features are gone, since people have access to milk and meat since an early age.
Some people will argue that Iberian ladies retain certain "rounded" features that remind of those poorly described "gracile meds", but round features are not exclusively of the mediterranean basin, being actually more representative of alpine types.
About depigmentation.... that is again, very relative. The average european living in a heavily sun bathed areas has often a more tanned skin tone. Meds go usually olive or caramel when tanned (many slavic people also have this trait) whilst north europeans, Specially those from the brittish Islands, tend to have it much harder to tan. Holiday goers usually go dark red and eventually burn and peel themselves off. Those who relocate however permanently to the mediterranean basin obtain a coarse reddish brown skin, way darker even than the tannest locals. (If you ever have the opportunity to travel regularly from Scotland to Andalusia you will find out what I'm talking about, just need to jump into a Ryanair plane)
Continental Iberians (seasonally) , and specially Atlantic Iberians are heavily depigmented too (although the majority still has dark hair) and freckles are actually a quite common thing amidst Asturians-Leonese, Cantabrians, ,Galicians , Pyrenaics, and north Castilians. In those regions also is were traces of Iberian blondism are more frequent. (there are actually more blondes in the nordic sense in central and southern Spain, but those are largely of germanic origin, descent from flemish countrymen of the Spanish-Flemish king Charles the First, invited to repopulate those areas in the XVI century)
. For some reasom, the swarthiest northen Iberians (IMO) are us basques (not necesarily speaking about skintone, but more about complexion, being raven black hair and very dark eyes much more common amidst basques than among the rest of spaniards, where brown to dark brown hair is predominant)
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Interesting. I didn't know that.what you call "gracile" it is an old fashined term to describe certain med people with small and thin features that was predominant in rural areas of southern europe due to poverty and malnutrition.
Today, an average Iberian of 18-30 years old is about 180 cm tall (many of them actually top that) and the gracile features are gone, since people have access to milk and meat since an early age.
Some people will argue that Iberian ladies retain certain "rounded" features that remind of those poorly described "gracile meds", but round features are not exclusively of the mediterranean basin, being actually more representative of alpine types.
I've notice that Most Poles and Russian do not tan so well because they are really lighter (skintone) but people in Balkan does tan well because they are more Southernly that can adapt in hot weather.About depigmentation.... that is again, very relative. The average european living in a heavily sun bathed areas has often a more tanned skin tone. Meds go usually olive or caramel when tanned (many slavic people also have this trait) whilst north europeans, Specially those from the brittish Islands, tend to have it much harder to tan. Holiday goers usually go dark red and eventually burn and peel themselves off. Those who relocate however permanently to the mediterranean basin obtain a coarse reddish brown skin, way darker even than the tannest locals. (If you ever have the opportunity to travel regularly from Scotland to Andalusia you will find out what I'm talking about, just need to jump into a Ryanair plane)
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Atlantomediterranids in Iberia were always taller and now, with the better health status, they became even taller.
Yet the Gracilmediterranid (= classic Mediterranid) variants exist as well and nobody can deny that, they are still shorter and more gracile than Nordoids - and Atlantomediterranids (also called "robust Mediterranid") too.
The difference between Atlanto- and Gracilmediterranids was observable even in ancient times and remains and runs sometimes parallel to the difference between Nordindid and Gracilindid in India.
Pontids are closer to Atlantomediterranids usually, but regionally also shorter and more gracile in comparison, yet still lighter, taller etc. than typical Gracilmediterranids.
So it really depends on the comparison. In comparison to more Northern variants of Atlantomediterranid, they don't look "more Northern", in comparison to Gracilmediterranid they do, in comparison to more Southern Eastmediterranid (Levantine) and even more so Southmediterranid (North Africa) for sure, with a fluent borderline to Eastnordid - like there is a fluent transition between Mediterranid and Nordid in the West, along the Atlantic facade.
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I thought Atlanto-Med have very minor Nordid influence (Atlantid-Med are basically mixed of Atlantid (dark Nordid) and Gracile Med) and it could explain why they are tall and somewhat lighter.Atlantomediterranids in Iberia were always taller and now, with the better health status, they became even taller.
By robust, do you talking about body type or somthing ?Yet the Gracilmediterranid (= classic Mediterranid) variants exist as well and nobody can deny that, they are still shorter and more gracile than Nordoids - and Atlantomediterranids (also called "robust Mediterranid") too.
In Poland, there are some who look very Pontid and they are quite tall.Pontids are closer to Atlantomediterranids usually, but regionally also shorter and more gracile in comparison, yet still lighter, taller etc. than typical Gracilmediterranids.
What i'm trying to say is that Pontid and Atlanto-Med are closer to Nordid than classic Med.So it really depends on the comparison. In comparison to more Northern variants of Atlantomediterranid, they don't look "more Northern", in comparison to Gracilmediterranid they do, in comparison to more Southern Eastmediterranid (Levantine) and even more so Southmediterranid (North Africa) for sure, with a fluent borderline to Eastnordid - like there is a fluent transition between Mediterranid and Nordid in the West, along the Atlantic facade.
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