Actual Importance of Haplogroups

[Vasconcelos]

I genuinely do not care.

[Äijä]

I genuinely do not care.

I personally do care and would like to get an unbroken male line to the Finnish ethnogenesis, just for the hell of it.

[Vasconcelos]

I personally do care and would like to get an unbroken male line to the Finnish ethnogenesis, just for the hell of it.

It won't change who you are, though.

[Damião de Góis]

I personally do care and would like to get an unbroken male line to the Finnish ethnogenesis, just for the hell of it.

That will be very difficult to be sure, you would have to test all your ancestors. The best you can get is to get the most common Y-DNA in Finland, but that would just be your first male ancestor.

[Äijä]

That will be very difficult to be sure, you would have to test all your ancestors. The best you can get is to get the most common Y-DNA in Finland, but that would just be your first male ancestor.

Not sure what you are trying to say.

[Äijä]

It won't change who you are, though.

Naturally not, but most Finns can trace their family to Iron Age Finland, we are special as a population.

[Damião de Góis]

Not sure what you are trying to say.

I'm saying it's difficult to prove your line is 100% finnish. What you could get as an aproximation was if your haplogroup was the most common one in Finland, and if you clustered in other finns. But that alone wouldn't mean you couldn't have a swedish or estonian ancestor down the line.

[Äijä]

I'm saying it's difficult to prove your line is 100% finnish. What you could get as an aproximation was if your haplogroup was the most common one in Finland, and if you clustered in other finns. But that alone wouldn't mean you couldn't have a swedish or estonian ancestor down the line.

Yes, you have a point but we can actually get a better aproximation than most people.
Also there is the remote possibility of ancient DNA found from somewhere.

[Void]

Here's a thought. Afrikaaners are 2% black on average. It stands to reason some of them will have black YDNA or mtDNA markers. Are these individuals black, when their cousins are white, and vice versa? The answer, of course, is no. Are African Americans actually white, and anglo-saxon, seeing as a very large percentage have Western European YDNA? Of course not.

Except that Y DNA has more genetic change than non-Y DNA. Take the chimpanzee Y chromosome for example, it differs a staggering 30% with the human Y chromosome and that's likely to be a conservative estimate. One would expect that 15-30% of racial differences can be explained by Y haplogroup, and in the case of prolonged racial admixture this could be as high as 100%.

This being the case we'd expect 20th century racial maps to match early 21th century haplogroup maps. Lets have a look.

Haplogroups_europe.png

Rassenkarte_von_Europa.jpg

We'll have to assume some margin of error due to poor sampling size, even then the maps are mostly identical.

R1b matches the Western race (light blue) R1a matches the East Baltic race. N1 matches the Mongolian race. J2 and J1 are well matched.

I1 matches the Nordic race. I2b matches the Phalian sub-race. I2a matches the Dinaric race.

The only anomaly is E1 which appears to be grouped together with R1b. There is mention of a "hither asiatic" race however which appears to match E1.

What's really interesting is the match in Western Norway.

The only logical explanation is that 1) The similarities are pure coincedence 2) That haplogroups correlate with racial groups 3) That the Y chromosome influences skull shape.

The truth is likely a combination of 2 and 3.

[Longbowman]

Except that Y DNA has more genetic change than non-Y DNA. Take the chimpanzee Y chromosome for example, it differs a staggering 30% with the human Y chromosome and that's likely to be a conservative estimate. One would expect that 15-30% of racial differences can be explained by Y haplogroup, and in the case of prolonged racial admixture this could be as high as 100%.

This being the case we'd expect 20th century racial maps to match early 21th century haplogroup maps. Lets have a look.

Haplogroups_europe.png

Rassenkarte_von_Europa.jpg

We'll have to assume some margin of error due to poor sampling size, even then the maps are mostly identical.

R1b matches the Western race (light blue) R1a matches the East Baltic race. N1 matches the Mongolian race. J2 and J1 are well matched.

I1 matches the Nordic race. I2b matches the Phalian sub-race. I2a matches the Dinaric race.

The only anomaly is E1 which appears to be grouped together with R1b. There is mention of a "hither asiatic" race however which appears to match E1.

What's really interesting is the match in Western Norway.

The only logical explanation is that 1) The similarities are pure coincedence 2) That haplogroups correlate with racial groups 3) That the Y chromosome influences skull shape.

The truth is likely a combination of 2 and 3.

Fascinating but none of it actually adds to the amount ydna adds to your adna.