Pashtuns: A genetically South Asian ethnicity wrapped in self hate(?)

[Stefan_Dusan]

What is hAppening between Israel and Arabs. Multiply the hatred 10 times that is how Muslims and non Muslims are in subcontinent

Islam is the culture of the Arabs, the quran is written in their language, the most holy site (Mecca) is on Arab lands, the most important prophet (Muhammad ) was Arab. This is why all Muslims kind of wish they were truly Arab even if they don't fully realize their intents. It was Arab conquests that brought Islam to them.

[jatt]

Indians themselves are very different people. I would say Pashtuns are more similar to Iranians than they are to Punjabis. Just look at their language for one, or their looks.

Lookwise they are more like Kashmiris but culture is sort of Persian which itself is not big deal differ t to Pakistani culture

[Stefan_Dusan]

Look at the genetic charts he posted. Pathans are almost the same as other Pakistani groups. They do not cluster with Iranians on regional PCA plots.

u place too much importance on genetics, their language is closer to Persian. Plus, I don't think good genetic results have been done on them.

[Willem]

u place too much importance on genetics, their language is closer to Persian. Plus, I don't think good genetic results have been done on them.

Language classification means nothing to racial affinity, especially in groups that underwent language shift through elite dominance (very common around the world).

[Highlands]

Islam is the culture of the Arabs, the quran is written in their language, the most holy site (Mecca) is on Arab lands, the most important prophet (Muhammad ) was Arab. This is why all Muslims kind of wish they were truly Arab even if they don't fully realize their intents. It was Arab conquests that brought Islam to them.

Turks and Persians are proud though and Persians are even anti-Arab. (at least what I've seen).

[Stefan_Dusan]

Language classification means nothing to racial affinity, especially in groups that underwent language shift through elite dominance (very common around the world).

where someone plots on a PCA plot means even less. I'd say Pashtuns look closer to Persians than Punjabis. This is from some experience with all 3 ethnic groups.

[Stefan_Dusan]

Turks and Persians are proud though and Persians are even anti-Arab. (at least what I've seen).

It depends how Muslim they are. The Turks though have their own mythos because they lead the Ottoman Empire.

[Arhat]

Pashtuns dont hate indians and dont deny that they have south asian admixture.But they are not south asian people because they speak an eastern iranic language and even genetically the south asian components are not dominant and came from the maternal side.Pashtuns were nomads in the past and were culturally closer to central asian turks than to indians.They are in no sense south asian people and i thought that only indians who have some kind of weird fetish for pashtuns claim such things.They even dont look similar and their tribal culture is very foreign for south asia

[Stefan_Dusan]

Pashtuns dont hate indians and dont deny that they have south asian admixture.But they are not south asian people because they speak an eastern iranic language and even genetically the south asian components are not dominant and came from the maternal side.Pashtuns were nomads in the past and were culturally closer to central asian turks than to indians.They are in no sense south asian people and i thought that only indians who have some kind of weird fetish for pashtuns claim such things.They even dont look similar and their tribal culture is very foreign for south asia

I know from talking to Indians, they have some "tribes" of their own, I'm curious, can u explain Pashtun tribal hierarchy and customs?

[jatt]

Turks and Persians are proud though and Persians are even anti-Arab. (at least what I've seen).

So are Indians. Have you ever met an Indian even online who show favorBle view of these people. It's always Pakistani and bAngladeshi who have abnormal love for these good for nothing people. Persians were once ZorastrNians but Islamic conquest changed them to today's people. Islam met resistance in India. We have indegenous religions like Hinduism Sikhism and budhism. Since these countries are overwhelmic Islamic there are no conflicts. If Muslims were minority I their region things would been different