Pashtuns: A genetically South Asian ethnicity wrapped in self hate(?)

[StonyArabia]

I should add that the Turko-Persian Muslims who invaded the Indian subcontinent were not Turks or Persians, but Central Asians who had a Persianate culture and spoke a Turkic language often between themselves. It was these people who established and strengthened the presence of Islam and qausi Persian elements. Arabs had little influence if they did we would in fact see a lot of Arab speakers and maybe paternal lineages we don't, but we see people wanting to relate to the real zones of Turko-Persian civilization that's Turkey and Iran, despite the fact no one from these nations had their foot their, it was all done by Central Asians like the Ghurids, Ghazavanids, and last of them are the Moghuls.

[jatt]

bro gauris and gaznawis invaded india for looting and pillaging .. they didn't established empires. the true emripre builders were mugals. mugal word itself means mongoloids. the first mugal emperor to invade india was babur from Samarkand in uzbekistsan.. many Pakistanis claim to mugals especially the domestic helpers lol.

[jatt]

most pashtuns have this typical afghan look Attachment 53060 but some can look like persians,uzbeks or punjabies but on average they look similar to persians than indians

this is how kashmiris and gujjars look too

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gujjar men



gujjars agitating for getting reservation from government of india.. gujjars are classified backward cast by government of india. so you see its not as if we in india don't have such mountainous looking people.. come to indian Punjab you will see tons of them living in mud huts on the sides of highway... the only nomadic people other than banjaras.

[Arhat]

gujjars agitating for getting reservation from government of india.. gujjars are classified backward cast by government of india. so you see its not as if we in india don't have such mountainous looking people.. come to indian Punjab you will see tons of them living in mud huts on the sides of highway... the only nomadic people other than banjaras.

yes only kashmiri can have this sterotypical afghan look but they are clearly more indian shifted in their physical appereance.Pashtuns and eastern iranic people(saka,kushan,hepthalites) ruled northern india and especially punjab very often and this areas were often invaded by nomadic tribes of eastern iranic or altaic origin who enslaved the local population and had much "fun" there.So many pashtuns also settled there.It is very funny that you claim that pashtuns and mountain tribes of pakistan and northern india(kashmir) are inferior to plain indians,who were often just the servants of this "barbaric" tribes .Even the first indo-aryans who invaded india came from the mountains of afghanistan and pakistan and brought sanskrit to the indian subcontinent.Actually dardic/indo-aryan mountain tribes of kashmir,pakistan and afghanistan(pashayi) are the closest population to ancient vedic indo-aryans genetically and linguistically

But originally the indo-aryans and iranic people originated like other indoeuropeans in the eastern europe steppe and migrated via central asia to afghanistan,pakistan,iran and india

[scytsar]

Pashtuns wrapped in self hate, are you kidding me? They're way too overly proud, trust me I'm partly one. And you say we reject any south asian identity, well why should we accept any south asian identity? What south asian identity do we have other than raiding it and pillaging it a countless number of times or that one time when alexander's general lost a satrap to the mauryans? Hell we even reject iranian identity, tell a pashtun or actually any afghan whether they're tajik or pashtun that they're part of the "iranian peoples" and they'll give you a dirty look. And closest to sindhis, are you kidding me? Maybe 'pathans' are close to them owing to the fact that they live in the indian subcontinent but afghan pashtuns and hell even the tribal pakistani ones that don't live in the cities are quite distinct. The only people I'd consider somewhat close to us would be some punjabis who can sometimes look like us.

It's just dumb to lump pashtuns, especially the afghanistani ones in with south asians genetically, linguistically and definitely culturally.

[scytsar]

I beg pardon for mistooking for afghan. Don't insult an Indian by saying we like
Afghans. Who the fuck R they. We can crush them like bugs. My ancestors ruled over that part Nd even to this day they say to their kids chup Che Singh nalwa vagela. Meaning keep quite or Sikhs will come. Just don't talk indians and Pakistani mentality as same. The people these Pakistani worship are like cockroach for us. Got it my friennd

Is that what they teach you in the gurdwaras? Listen I like sikhs and think of them as good people but by god some of them (only an online phenomenon to be honest) are literally retarded. You think pashtuns, who literally caused a sikh holocaust twice, who invaded india with the samanids, ghorids, ghaznavids, durranis so on and so forth give a crap that they lost some clay to some sikhs who were heavily aided by the british?

And pakistanis worship us? Dude, we hate pakistanis and they hate us. We like indians, they like us. And no, that thing you said about singh nalwa or whatever is a self propagated myth by the sikhs, something to make themselves feel a little better after losing so hard.

[scytsar]

Bro they like Arabs way more than Persians and Turks in my opinion because prophet Muhammad was Arab. They have high regard for Arabs.

You're wrong here, afghans probably like turks (from turkey) the most. Pashtuns are indifferent to persians and generally don't care about them. And arabs, are you kidding me? We like arabs but I've heard more than once from people we know that arabs are 'ayash' meaning they're quite rough or rowdy and to not let their daughter marry an arab.

[jatt]

You're wrong here, afghans probably like turks (from turkey) the most. Pashtuns are indifferent to persians and generally don't care about them. And arabs, are you kidding me? We like arabs but I've heard more than once from people we know that arabs are 'ayash' meaning they're quite rough or rowdy and to not let their daughter marry an arab.

I got this impression from some Pakistani pashtoons.. they show abnormal level of arab servitude. lot of Pakistani pashtoons even dress like arabs now a days.. lol anyways nice to meet proud pashtoon.. haha

[Truthbetold]

Pashtuns wrapped in self hate, are you kidding me? They're way too overly proud, trust me I'm partly one. And you say we reject any south asian identity, well why should we accept any south asian identity? What south asian identity do we have other than raiding it and pillaging it a countless number of times or that one time when alexander's general lost a satrap to the mauryans? Hell we even reject iranian identity, tell a pashtun or actually any afghan whether they're tajik or pashtun that they're part of the "iranian peoples" and they'll give you a dirty look. And closest to sindhis, are you kidding me? Maybe 'pathans' are close to them owing to the fact that they live in the indian subcontinent but afghan pashtuns and hell even the tribal pakistani ones that don't live in the cities are quite distinct. The only people I'd consider somewhat close to us would be some punjabis who can sometimes look like us.

It's just dumb to lump pashtuns, especially the afghanistani ones in with south asians genetically, linguistically and definitely culturally.

We saw the plots, PCA's, and quotes from genetic papers on the first page. Personal opinions can't change reality especially when hard facts are posted. Pashtuns are a South-Central Asian people, historically and culturally. Their tribalistic culture and overal mores are close to Central Asians. But genetically, they're clearly South Asian.
If they're not South Asian genetically (as in belonging with other South Asians), then so are not the Punjabi Jatts, Kashmiris, Sindhi's, Himachali's, High Caste Northern Hindu Indians etc, whom the Pashtuns cluster closely with, and yes such statement would be an obvious fallacy.

[scytsar]

I got this impression from some Pakistani pashtoons.. they show abnormal level of arab servitude. lot of Pakistani pashtoons even dress like arabs now a days.. lol anyways nice to meet proud pashtoon.. haha

What 'dress like arabs' are you referring to? Just because the dresses look similar doesn't mean they're the same. What arab servitude? Are you just pulling random anecdotes out of nowhere? It seems to me you believe that anybody who's muslim worships arabs.