Pashtuns: A genetically South Asian ethnicity wrapped in self hate(?)

[Arhat]

Karachi itself has the biggest urban Pashtun population in the world. Afghanistan is a Central Asian nation and the Mongoloid admixture of Afghan Tajiks is totally underrated. North Afghanistan is entirely Turko-Persian while South Afghanistan is more Pashto-Persian

afghan tajiks look exact like pashtuns and only tajiks of northern afghanistan look often mongolid

[Dynamo]

You post a random example to represent a whole population of about 50 million Pashtuns? The same reasoning like: ''I saw a bird with gold stripes so all birdz must be striped with gold'' Anyway the sample you posted is 34.19% Baloch (the same as ANI aka Ancestral North Indian), which peaks in Baloch, and 14.71% South Indian, which itself is a combination of ANI and ASI (Ancestral South Indian). I'm sure he will cluster close to any Northwest South Asian population as well, such as the Punjabi Jatts. I sense alot of frustration reading your comments. No one said Afghans (nationality) are South Asians. Afghanistan is a South-Central Asian nation. The Pashtuns however, (ethnic group) who's majority live in Pakistan and the 2nd largest amount in Afghanistan, are genetically a South Asian population as I clearly demonstrated on the first page. All you're giving me as a response is PoV and merely personal, non scientific opinions. Not one paper, not one PCA plot, no nothing valuable reading was posted by you on behalf of the fact that you don't agree with the hard scientific facts posted on the first page. If the Pashtuns are not South Asian GENETICALLY (as in the fact that they clearly cluster with other South Asians), then so would also the Punjabi Jatts, Kashmiris, Sindhis, Himachalis etc not be South Asian. Which would be an obvious fallacy.

I don't understand, you say south Asian, however that includes South Indians and peninsular Indians. Afghan Pashtuns do not cluster with South Asians, are you blind? The only group they cluster in that pcs plot are balochis and makranis, hardly South Asian. Plus that looks at how west or east shifted you are. You quote all these texts thinking your very knowledgable yet you know jack shit. Fst distances determine the distance between populations. As you can see from that link I posted of you bothered looking at it, afghan Pashtuns and Tajiks are very close to Iranians, Caucasians and Turks. Much closer to South Asians. That's FST distance! These PCA plots look at west East Eurasian shiftmebt. For instance, Uzbeks and Turkmens are pretty far away from afghan Pashtuns and Tajiks, however why did the part conclude we were close to other Central Asians? BECAUSE of FST DISTANCE. In addition, the gedrosia is a west Eurasian component, the reason why it's called ANE in some cases, is because the west Eurasian component found in South Asians come from the gedrosia. Please locate gedrosia for me. It's not in South Asia. When you say Pashtun that will refer to most Caucasian afghans in Afghanistan, and if you see, it's actually the other way round, northwest south Asians are west Eurasian shifted. We are far far away from the Indian cluster anyways.

[Sky earth]

afghan tajiks look exact like pashtuns and only tajiks of northern afghanistan look often mongolid

Many Afghan Tajiks look like Pashtuns but not all. Those with significant Mongoloid admixture don't look like Pashtuns. Tajiks from Kabul have the same amount of 15 % Mongoloid admixture on average like Tajikistan Tajiks.

[Dynamo]

Hahaha now you say represent 50 million Pashtuns? You ignorant fuck, the samples you showed us were all from the same tribe, same area and country....PAKISTAN. There's 3 other afghan Pashtuns as well, and they got very similar results to each other. Plus I'm talking to a Pashtun/ Tajik afghan, and his results are also similar except he's got a higher northern euro component. Is that coincidence that paki Pathans have similar resujts, while afghan Pashtuns have similar results to each other? I think not. Again, those PCA plots look at how much west Eurasian shifted you are. A half English half chinese in that PCA plot would be far easy from both groups, yet FST distances will show how close you are to the groups.

[Arhat]

Many Afghan Tajiks look like Pashtuns but not all. Those with significant Mongoloid admixture don't look like Pashtuns. Tajiks from Kabul have the same amount of 15 % Mongoloid admixture on average like Tajikistan Tajiks.

most tajiks in kabul look very close to pashtuns and have often are of pashtun origin.So it is unlikely that they have the same amount of east asian admixture like tajiks of tajikistan.Tajiks of kabul look very different from tajikistani tajiks .You are only right about tajiks in the north who are close to tajikistani tajiks but this tajiks look sometimes really white also.

[Dynamo]

Did you see the afghan Pashtuns k15 and k12? Lol he had more Volga Uralic than South Asian. His highest percentage was Caucasian.

[Dynamo]

I'll post the afghan Pashtun and Tajiks eurogenes K36 results in a bit. I'll also post the paki Pathans Harappa world admixture. On average they had more than 30% South Indian. Average afghsn Pashtun had only 14%.

[Sky earth]

most tajiks in kabul look very close to pashtuns and have often are of pashtun origin.So it is unlikely that they have the same amount of east asian admixture like tajiks of tajikistan.Tajiks of kabul look very different from tajikistani tajiks .You are only right about tajiks in the north who are close to tajikistani tajiks but this tajiks look sometimes really white also.

I cant'f find the study but samples of Tajiks from Kabul showed 15 % Mongoloid admixture on average and that's not really unsignificant. Pashtuns themselves are descendants of tribes from different origins. There was a significant Pashtunization period in Afghanistan which began with the Hotaki dynasty and reached its peak during the Durrani empire.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pashtunization

[Dynamo]

I cant'f find the study but samples of Tajiks from Kabul showed 15 % Mongoloid admixture on average and that's not really unsignificant. Pashtuns themselves are descendants of tribes from different origins. There was a significant Pashtunization period in Afghanistan which began with the Hotaki dynasty and reached its peak with the Durrani empire.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pashtunization

I've got the results Dw I'll post it

[Dynamo]

Here are the eurogenes k36 for afghan pashtuns, for comparison I've added thr punjabi jatt. Notice how much South asuan jatts have compared to thr afghans. http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...fghan-Pashtuns