Pashtuns: A genetically South Asian ethnicity wrapped in self hate(?)

[Dynamo]

the old iranic and indo-aryan tribes orginated somewhere in the eurasian steppe and had high percentages of caucasian and northern european dna but they migrated and settled in central asia,south asia and also west asia. In central asia they encountered and conquered the BMAC civilization which was connected to other sedentary cultures in modern iran and had a high developed urban civilization.The iranic and indo-aryan tribes mixed with the population of the BMAC culture , which was west asian predominately , and their religions were also influenced by this.In afghanistan they encountered several different local cultures which were mostly also of west asian origin but influenced by people from the indus basin but even this pre-indoeuropean were mostly west asians.The ancestors of afghans subjugated this people and spread their genes and languages so that modern afghans speak indoeuropean languages and are predominately the descendants of this indoeuropean iranic tribes
But later the indo-aryan tribes moved to india ( but some like pashai and kalash stayed in afghanistan/pakistan and preserved their original look) and mixed much with pre-indoeuropean south asians but iranic people like pashtuns mixed only rarely with south asians and lived for the most time in central asia and only recently they also populate south asia and took many indian women (raids). Pashtuns are still very close to pamiri people of tajikistan and of course also to tajiks of afghanistan.Pashtuns of modern pakistan have mostly so much south asian components because of recent admixture and pashtuns of afghanistan have low south asian components which are also very different from other south asian components in india

Spot on, Pashtuns are extremely close to the pamirs as we'll yaghnobis. The FST distance was something like 0.04

[Dynamo]

What in F's name are you talking about? I posted both data about Pakistani and Afghan Pashtuns both on page 1 and page 13. Are you blind or what? Page 13 shows a plot which shows both Pakistani and Afghan Pashtuns. Page one shows both quotes from the paper about Afghanistans ethnic groups, as well as plots/PCA's about Pakistani Pashtuns.

The one from page 13 once again:



Analysis from the paper the graph is from:



As we can see, in Dynamo's and Vir9's PAINS to disassociate the Pashtun ethnic group from the other (Northwestern) South Asians, such as the Punjabi Jatts, Kashmiris, Sindhi's, etc, user Dynamo has resorted to the usage of ad-hominem insults and trolling to virtually everyone here who dares speaking about the Pashtuns, disregarding obvious complete scientific papers and facts posted, while ''Vir9'' tries to fraud every plot/graph/paper posted, trying to present it as '''trolling'' and frauding results as shown on the graphs (such as saying about the graph above that the Pashtuns all fall in the Central Asian cluster). Dynamo also thinks that by posting individually grabbed results without any source given he can refute any of the complete sources/papers/PCA's and plots I have given.

These two users of presumably Pashtun origin have OBVIOUS superiority feelings towards other geneticallly Northwestern South Asian peoples such as the Punjabi Jatts, Kashmiris, Sindhi's, Himachali's, etc. They hate the fact that Pashtuns cluster with these people and are in grief due to this. They don't agree with the hard scientific facts and papers that are posted because they would rather see themselves cluster firmly with Central Asians, West Asians, you name it, for whatever dumb reason. This is clearly seen by reading their comments.

Either post scientific papers if you think this is all not true. If you can't contribute anything remotely useful please keep out. And yes, that includes posting unsourced random results of persons while I have posted whole papers on both Afghan Pashtuns and Pakistani Pashtuns.

I never thought being South Asian geneticaly would be such an extreme insult towards some people.

User ''Dynamo'' once again showed how incredibly hard he finds it and how extremely butthurt he is by PM'ing me this comment:



Obvious inferiority complexion detected.

Conclusion: The majority of Pashtuns live in Pakistan. 70% of the total Pashtun population. As shown in EVERY paper, graph, and PCA I posted the Pakistani Pashtuns CLEARLY cluster with other Northwestern South Asian and clear cut fall in the South Asian cluster. The Afghan Pashtuns, as seen in the graph above are on the edge of the South Asian/Central Asian cluster. They are extremely close to the South Asian cluster. Muuuuuch closer to the Middle East/Caucasus cluster as eveyone can see. The paper says as well itself in words that they are close to Indo-Aryan populations. It all makes sense considering the geography and history of the Pashtun people.

The plots, scientific papers, and graphs on the first page on this thread confirm this again as well, with the Pakistani Pashtuns first and foremost being closest to other Northwest South Asian populations, including the Sindhi's. Pashtuns are a South Asian population genetically, clustering closely with Punjabi Jatts, Kashmiris, Sindhi's, High Caste Himachali's, Baloch, etc. I showed it here with the results, papers, plots, and PCA's posted. No individual result, no trolling, no frauding can change this.

Deal with this fact Dynamo and Vir9. The Pashtuns are first and foremost Northwestern South Asian genetically as is shown in this thread. Otherwise, Pakistani Pashtuns are not Pashtuns, or otherwise the Kashmiris, Punjabi Jatts, Sindhi's, high caste Himachali's (aka the closest genetic brethren to the Pashtuns), etc are not actually South Asians I know you can't refute this. Pashtuns are not remotely close to Middle Eastern/West Asian/Caucasus peoples. By far. Give up.
As if there's anything bad about clustering with other (Northwestern) South Asians as a population.

Do I have to say this again and again? The fucking PCA plots show how much west or east shifted. The Pathans from Pakistan in that PCA plot are like 80% west Eurasian. The afghan samples ranged from 85-89%. ( I'm talking about individual samples). Iranians are like 91% west Eurasian. Did yiu see the eurogenes k36? I give evidence yet you still show me the same graphs and quotes. I'll show my friends oracle results. You'll be suprised.

[Dynamo]

Afghan cricket team, mostly Pashtuns, few Tajiks/Hazaras



Pakistani cricket team, mixed Pashtun/Punjabi/other Pakistani ethnic groups

So I gave you literally 20 links to afghan people in crowds yet you expect to convince people over this? Get a life ffs.

[Dynamo]

It's funny how when people want to convince people we are South Asian, they always use those cricket photos as an example loool. I showed him hubdreds of afghans but no. Still ignorant

[Arhat]

What in F's name are you talking about? I posted both data about Pakistani and Afghan Pashtuns both on page 1 and page 13. Are you blind or what? Page 13 shows a plot which shows both Pakistani and Afghan Pashtuns. Page one shows both quotes from the paper about Afghanistans ethnic groups, as well as plots/PCA's about Pakistani Pashtuns.

The one from page 13 once again:



Analysis from the paper the graph is from:



As we can see, in Dynamo's and Vir9's PAINS to disassociate the Pashtun ethnic group from the other (Northwestern) South Asians, such as the Punjabi Jatts, Kashmiris, Sindhi's, etc, user Dynamo has resorted to the usage of ad-hominem insults and trolling to virtually everyone here who dares speaking about the Pashtuns, disregarding obvious complete scientific papers and facts posted, while ''Vir9'' tries to fraud every plot/graph/paper posted, trying to present it as '''trolling'' and frauding results as shown on the graphs (such as saying about the graph above that the Pashtuns all fall in the Central Asian cluster). Dynamo also thinks that by posting individually grabbed results without any source given he can refute any of the complete sources/papers/PCA's and plots I have given.

These two users of presumably Pashtun origin have OBVIOUS superiority feelings towards other geneticallly Northwestern South Asian peoples such as the Punjabi Jatts, Kashmiris, Sindhi's, Himachali's, etc. They hate the fact that Pashtuns cluster with these people and are in grief due to this. They don't agree with the hard scientific facts and papers that are posted because they would rather see themselves cluster firmly with Central Asians, West Asians, you name it, for whatever dumb reason. This is clearly seen by reading their comments.

Either post scientific papers if you think this is all not true. If you can't contribute anything remotely useful please keep out. And yes, that includes posting unsourced random results of persons while I have posted whole papers on both Afghan Pashtuns and Pakistani Pashtuns.

I never thought being South Asian geneticaly would be such an extreme insult towards some people.

User ''Dynamo'' once again showed how incredibly hard he finds it and how extremely butthurt he is by PM'ing me this comment:



Obvious inferiority complexion detected.

Conclusion: The majority of Pashtuns live in Pakistan. 70% of the total Pashtun population. As shown in EVERY paper, graph, and PCA I posted the Pakistani Pashtuns CLEARLY cluster with other Northwestern South Asian and clear cut fall in the South Asian cluster. The Afghan Pashtuns, as seen in the graph above are on the edge of the South Asian/Central Asian cluster. They are extremely close to the South Asian cluster. Muuuuuch closer to the Middle East/Caucasus cluster as eveyone can see. The paper says as well itself in words that they are close to Indo-Aryan populations. It all makes sense considering the geography and history of the Pashtun people.

The plots, scientific papers, and graphs on the first page on this thread confirm this again as well, with the Pakistani Pashtuns first and foremost being closest to other Northwest South Asian populations, including the Sindhi's. Pashtuns are a South Asian population genetically, clustering closely with Punjabi Jatts, Kashmiris, Sindhi's, High Caste Himachali's, Baloch, etc. I showed it here with the results, papers, plots, and PCA's posted. No individual result, no trolling, no frauding can change this.

Deal with this fact Dynamo and Vir9. The Pashtuns are first and foremost Northwestern South Asian genetically as is shown in this thread. Otherwise, Pakistani Pashtuns are not Pashtuns, or otherwise the Kashmiris, Punjabi Jatts, Sindhi's, high caste Himachali's (aka the closest genetic brethren to the Pashtuns), etc are not actually South Asians I know you can't refute this. Pashtuns are not remotely close to Middle Eastern/West Asian/Caucasus peoples. By far. Give up.
As if there's anything bad about clustering with other (Northwestern) South Asians as a population.

you are a troll and we should ignore people like you. Either you have never seen a pashtun in your whole life or you have some kind of personal hate for pashtuns.Even italians and levantine arabs look closer to us than south asians. Dynamo already posted several afghan samples and some of them even had more european dna than south asian.So explain that? and you still didnt answered my question why pashtuns have predominately west asian or central asian y-dna haplogroups like R1a,Q,G,J) ???

[Dynamo]

Here is my friends dodecad world 9 results

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Pathan (HGDP) 10.6
2 Tajiks (Yunusbayev) 12.3
3 Burusho (HGDP) 13.9
4 Balochi (HGDP) 16.28
5 Brahui (HGDP) 17.39
6 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 17.71
7 Sindhi (HGDP) 17.93
8 Makrani 18.39
9 Kalash 19.27
10 Lezgins (Behar) 21.32
11 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 21.83
12 Chechens (Yunusbayev) 21.99
13 North_Ossetians (Yunusbayev) 22.53
14 Balkars (Yunusbayev) 22.75
15 Adygei (HGDP) 22.76
16 Iranian (Dodecad) 23.31
17 Bnei_Menashe_Jews 23.98
18 Iranians (Behar) 26.13
19 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 27.08
20 Kurd (Dodecad) 27.17

The afghans closet populations according to fst distances are the yaghnobi tajiks and pamiri tajiks( they maintained their pure form). So calling us South asian genetically is fucking absurd. If your not blind please open your fucking eyes mate, how can we be genetically nearly identical to the purest Central asians yet be South asian?

[Dynamo]

Lol in your face mate, we are not even REMOTLEY related to west asians? Haha is that why lezgin, Chechens,balkans, iranians , Kurds and Ossetians come up on my friends dodecades resukts? Nice one mate, made yourself look like a fool.

Edit post: not to mention kumyks, adgyei and nogais

[Dynamo]

you are a troll and we should ignore people like you. Either you have never seen a pashtun in your whole life or you have some kind of personal hate for pashtuns.Even italians and levantine arabs look closer to us than south asians. Dynamo already posted several afghan samples and some of them even had more european dna than south asian.So explain that? and you still didnt answered my question why pashtuns have predominately west asian or central asian y-dna haplogroups like R1a,Q,G,J) ???

He probably poured out his heart out to an afghan women, shame she spat on it and stuck it up your arsehole and wrapped you around a bubble wrap waiting to be shipped back to azerbaijan

[Arhat]

Here is my friends dodecad world 9 results

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Pathan (HGDP) 10.6
2 Tajiks (Yunusbayev) 12.3
3 Burusho (HGDP) 13.9
4 Balochi (HGDP) 16.28
5 Brahui (HGDP) 17.39
6 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 17.71
7 Sindhi (HGDP) 17.93
8 Makrani 18.39
9 Kalash 19.27
10 Lezgins (Behar) 21.32
11 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 21.83
12 Chechens (Yunusbayev) 21.99
13 North_Ossetians (Yunusbayev) 22.53
14 Balkars (Yunusbayev) 22.75
15 Adygei (HGDP) 22.76
16 Iranian (Dodecad) 23.31
17 Bnei_Menashe_Jews 23.98
18 Iranians (Behar) 26.13
19 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 27.08
20 Kurd (Dodecad) 27.17

The afghans closet populations according to fst distances are the yaghnobi tajiks and pamiri tajiks( they maintained their pure form). So calling us South asian genetically is fucking absurd. If your not blind please open your fucking eyes mate, how can we be genetically nearly identical to the purest Central asians yet be South asian?

thank for this list and i often regisered that northern caucasians (chechens,ossetians,..) can look quite similar to us and we to them.But pashtuns are closest to other central asian people who were genetically not so much influenced by turks and mongols.But we are close to turkemens because most of them are of iranic origin but were turkisized later

[Dynamo]

you are a troll and we should ignore people like you. Either you have never seen a pashtun in your whole life or you have some kind of personal hate for pashtuns.Even italians and levantine arabs look closer to us than south asians. Dynamo already posted several afghan samples and some of them even had more european dna than south asian.So explain that? and you still didnt answered my question why pashtuns have predominately west asian or central asian y-dna haplogroups like R1a,Q,G,J) ???

Mtdna too. Here's my friend maternal lineage.

R0a likely originated in the Near East, splitting off from the lineages that would eventually form the H and V haplogroups. R0a arose during the end of the height of the Ice Age, when most of the northern hemisphere was covered in ice. While H and V spread across Europe, R0a stayed primarily in the Near East. Today it can be found at highest frequencies in the Arabian peninsula and some isolated populations in Pakistan, however across the entire region and in northeastern Africa one in ten individuals are R0a. In Europe, R0a is rare outside of certain groups such as Ashkenazi Jews with recent historical ties to the Near East.