Pashtuns: A genetically South Asian ethnicity wrapped in self hate(?)

[Arhat]

Lol Tajiks are basically half Turkic. Some score even higher Mongoloid admix than Uzbeks. Pashtuns have also big Turkic influence as the second largest Pashtun tribal confederacy ,the Ghilzais are probably originally of Turkic origin anyway

lol.Are you fucking serious? Tajiks of northern afghanistan are very different from the rest of the country and this areas are populated by Uzbeks.Tajiks of kabul,panjshir or parwan are almost entirely caucasoid and just show me one sample of a afghan tajik who is not from the north with so much east asian admixture

Ghilzai are not turks and even dont dream about that in your wet pan-turanian dreams.Ghilzai have nothing to do with turks and they are descendants of nomadic iranic tribes (hepthalites,saka,kushan) who mixed with sedentary iranic tribes like bactrians.

[scytsar]

Honestly I don't get why indians and pakis are so obsessed over trying to lump us in with them. And tajiks in afghanistan mongoloid? looool
this shit is hilarious coming from people who've never met any afghans, and those cricket players you posted were all mostly from nangarhar, take a minute to see the temperature in that area, you'll find it's a hell of a lot warmer than any other place in the country.
Here, some more average tajiks from afghanistan
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hell even this interview of a hazara who grew up in iran goes over this topic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0IslpKscSM
the gist of it is she faced racism because she's a hazara, she also says when you ask iranians what an afghan looks like, the image of a hazara pops up and then says if aghae pedram (latif pedram) or any tajik/pashtun were to go to iran and say they're afghan iranians wouldn't believe them at first.

[scytsar]

lol.Are you fucking serious? Tajiks of northern afghanistan are very different from the rest of the country and this areas are populated by Uzbeks.Tajiks of kabul,panjshir or parwan are almost entirely caucasoid and just show me one sample of a afghan tajik who is not from the north with so much east asian admixture

Ghilzai are not turks and even dont dream about that in your wet pan-turanian dreams.Ghilzai have nothing to do with turks and they are descendants of nomadic iranic tribes (hepthalites,saka,kushan) who mixed with sedentary iranic tribes like bactrians.

Actually, when you're referring to north you must be referring to places like mazar-e sharif where there are lots of uzbeks and hazaras - even then tajiks are quite distinct like Atta Mohammad Nur for example. The north east, in the badakhshan-pamir area (incidentally also tajikistan's badakhshan and pamir regions) they look fully caucasian. It's the rest of tajikistan and the other northern areas of afghanistan where they look like they're 1/8 asian for example. And of course in the rest of afghanistan they look quite similar to pashtuns.

[Truthbetold]

Even italians look closer to us than south asians

loooool

Yeah we can feel the breeze from Tuscany and Roma already mate...HAHA

(all group pics of Afghan Pashtuns)













nono... absolutely nothing south asian ... just tanned nordics/Atlanto-Meds..

Jokes aside, they resemble Tajiks, Baloch/Brahui, Sindhi, Kashmiri, Gujjars, Punjabi Jatt, and some other high caste northwest Hindu Indians the most. Good looking people.

many afghan pashtuns look like hazaras??? are you kidding me? It is sad that you try to defame afghan pashtun .We never said that pakistani pashtuns look south asian but i and dynamo just mentioned that the samples that were used for this genetic studies were not representative because they were taken from an area were pashtuns often mixed with south asians so this pashtuns are more south asian shifted than other pashtuns

The same perpetual problem with you and your co-worker dynamo is that you two only talk. Talk, talk, talk, for the same fucking sake of talking and trying to distort reality. Still not one paper or one combination of PCA's/plots posted by either of you to support your arguments and motives. You both only refrain in saying Pakistani Pashtuns are not representative and other types of bullcrap without posting any proof. You two obviously try to dodge every paper, plot and graph posted and resort in using weasel words, trolling, and posting individual examples to represent a whole population separated in two nations. You have some superiority feeling towards South Asian people who clearlyyyyy cluster very closely with Pashtuns as is seen in all my graphs, plots, papers, and even the random example posted by Dynamo.

The reason Afghan pashtuns have less South Asian is because of more east asian component in them.

Exactly and it's only due to geographical proximity as the Afghan Pashtuns live somewhat more northern. Nothing else. They try to blame everything on their Indo-Aryan genetic brethren living in wider South Asia.

What people don't understand is, the HOMELAND of the pashtuns is AFGHANISTAN not pakistan. So what if theyres more of them over in Pakistan, a lot of them are admixed anyways and a lot of them claim false ancestry just to associate themselves with pashtuns. I've seen peshawaris and by God, they look frickin paki. Not iranid lookig but indid looking. When they count the ethnic groups, these kinds of people Will be counted as "pashtun". It's a pisstake because now people are claiming that pakistan is the homeland. The only pashtuns IMO in pakistan are the villagers at the border. You can forest about the ones in cities and apparently in the swat region, where malalai yusufzai comes from, they are pashtunized dardics. Although many look light pigmented.

Many many Pashtuns look Indid which is obvious as they cluster very closely with Sindhi's, Baloch, Kashmiris, etc. Even the posted results of your buddy show this ONCE again; he's closer to Sindhi's than to any West Asian population.

Many of the Pashtuns I've met can pass for Mediterranean Europeans. I think one reason why they distance themselves from South Asia is because the Western image of South Asians is associated with Australoid racial mixture. Culturally, I would say Afghans are closer to Iranians than other South Asians, so that's probably another reason.

Can you post me a group pic of at least five Pashtuns on the same pic that can all pass for Mediterranean Europeans? I sincerely sincerely doubt your first subjective statement. Afghan = nationality comprising Pashtuns, Tajiks, Uzbeks, Turkmens, Hazara, Sikh, Hindu, Dardic, etc. Pashtun = ethnicity mainly living in Pakistan and Afghanistan. But yes I agree Afghanistan as a nation is clearly Central Asian and their culture is rather skewed towards the ME and especially Central Asia. However, the various ethnicities living there are definetely not homogenous. Pashtuns are historically tied to South-Central Asia, while the Tajiks, Uzbeks, etc are virtually only tied to Central Asia. As one can see in the graphs, plots, papers the Tajiks, Uzbeks etc all clearly fall in the Central Asian cluster. Pashtuns however, the ones from Pakistan fall clear cut in the South Asian cluster, and the Afghan Pashtuns are on the edge of the Central Asian/South Asian cluster. All sources in this thread posted show this. Even the random sample posted by Dynamo show that he's very close to both Central Asian ethnicities such as Tajiks, but also close to Sindhi's, who are clearly South Asian.

Here is my friends dodecad world 9 results

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Pathan (HGDP) 10.6
2 Tajiks (Yunusbayev) 12.3
3 Burusho (HGDP) 13.9
4 Balochi (HGDP) 16.28
5 Brahui (HGDP) 17.39
6 Turkmens (Yunusbayev) 17.71
7 Sindhi (HGDP) 17.93
8 Makrani 18.39
9 Kalash 19.27
10 Lezgins (Behar) 21.32
11 Kumyks (Yunusbayev) 21.83
12 Chechens (Yunusbayev) 21.99
13 North_Ossetians (Yunusbayev) 22.53
14 Balkars (Yunusbayev) 22.75
15 Adygei (HGDP) 22.76
16 Iranian (Dodecad) 23.31
17 Bnei_Menashe_Jews 23.98
18 Iranians (Behar) 26.13
19 Nogais (Yunusbayev) 27.08
20 Kurd (Dodecad) 27.17

HAHA, it only confirms everything I said once again. Pashtuns from Afghanistan are on the bordering cluster of South Asia and Central Asia, while Pakistani Pashtuns fall clear cut in South Asia. That's why your friend, an Afghan Pashtun, gets a Pakistani Pashtun on the first place, a Tajik (central asian ethnicity) on the second place, and RIGHT after that a Burusho (SOUTH ASIAN), followed by three more Pakistani ethnicities (South Asian), and one Central Asian (Turkmen). You only confirmed all my statements once again.

Summary:

Afghani Pashtuns = border of the South Asian and Central Asian genetic cluster
Pakistani Pashtuns = South Asian clearly genetically
Pashtun culture (all Pashtuns) = Central Asian
Afghanistan = South-Central Asian

As you like random examples so much as well haha
Here, an Indian Punjabi Jatt, your close genetic brethren. Just for you.

MDLP World 22.

Population Averages:

MDLP World-22 Oracle results

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West-Asian 35.78
2 Indian 31.98
3 North-East-European 10.75
4 Indo-Iranian 8.34
5 Samoedic 3.19
6 North-European-Mesolithic 2.57
7 Near_East 1.84
8 North-Amerind 1.82
9 Indo-Tibetan 1.45
10 Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 1.41
11 East-Siberean 0.51
12 South-America_Amerind 0.34
13 Mesoamerican 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Pathan (derived) 6.52
2 Burusho (derived) 6.88
3 Sindhi (derived) 11.02
4 Balochi (derived) 14.25
5 Pashtun (derived) 14.27
6 Jew_India (derived) 17.12
7 Brahui (derived) 18.79
8 Makrani (derived) 19.09
9 Tadjik (derived) 20.14
10 Parsi (derived) 21.03
11 Hindu (derived) 25.37
12 Turkmen (derived) 27.1
13 Roma (derived) 27.97
14 Uzbek (derived) 31.47
15 Indian (derived) 33.64
16 Nogai (derived) 33.82
17 Kumyk (derived) 33.85
18 Hazara (derived) 34.06
19 Iranian (derived) 34.06
20 Azeri (derived) 34.07

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 86.4% Pathan (derived) + 13.6% Indian (derived) @ 3.83
2 82.8% Pathan (derived) + 17.2% Hindu (derived) @ 3.93
3 93.1% Pathan (derived) + 6.9% Indian (ancestral) @ 4.01
4 64.7% Pashtun (derived) + 35.3% Hindu (derived) @ 4.17
5 83.6% Pashtun (derived) + 16.4% Indian (ancestral) @ 4.49
6 56% Tadjik (derived) + 44% Hindu (derived) @ 4.54
7 79.6% Pathan (derived) + 20.4% Jew_India (derived) @ 4.99
8 57.9% Hindu (derived) + 42.1% Tabassaran (derived) @ 5.3
9 58.2% Hindu (derived) + 41.8% Lak (derived) @ 5.41
10 59% Hindu (derived) + 41% Avar (derived) @ 5.51
11 55.3% Pathan (derived) + 44.7% Burusho (derived) @ 5.78
12 58.2% Hindu (derived) + 41.8% Lezgin (derived) @ 5.86
13 96.2% Burusho (derived) + 3.8% North-East-European (ancestral) @ 5.9
14 95.6% Burusho (derived) + 4.4% Lithuanian (derived) @ 5.94
15 95.3% Burusho (derived) + 4.7% Belarusian (derived) @ 5.94
16 95.5% Burusho (derived) + 4.5% Lithuanian_V (derived) @ 5.96
17 95.6% Burusho (derived) + 4.4% Latvian (derived) @ 5.98
18 95.4% Burusho (derived) + 4.6% Russian (derived) @ 6.01
19 95.3% Burusho (derived) + 4.7% Polish (derived) @ 6.01
20 95.2% Burusho (derived) + 4.8% Polish_V (derived) @ 6.01

He's even closer to Pakistani Pashtuns than your friend is lol.

Dodecad k12b, Indian Punjabi Jatt

Admixture Results:

#Population Percent
1 Gedrosia 40.78
2 South_Asian 30.95
3 North_European 14.48
4 Caucasus 8.88
5 Southwest_Asian 2.32
6 Siberian 2.1
7 Atlantic_Med 0.41
8 East_African 0.1


Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Jatt @ 7.216
2 Pathan @ 9.177
3 Burusho @ 11.200
4 Sindhi @ 14.130
5 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh @ 15.545
6 Meena @ 17.089
7 Kshatriya @ 19.331
8 Brahmins_from_Tamil_Nadu @ 21.299
9 Indian @ 21.783
10 Cochin_Jews @ 21.856
223 iterations.
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You two are too butthurt and have a too high sense of superiority complexion to embrace and acknowledge the obvious facts that the Pashtun ethnic group are very close genetically to other Northwestern South Asian populations like the Punjabi Jatts, Kashmiris, Sindhi's, High Caste Northwestern Hindu Indians, Burusho. Those from Pakistan more than those from Afghanistan. Now it's time for both of you to lower your heads, and start making dat curry. Cheers

[scytsar]

jesus, how many times do we have to post new studies done on AFGHAN pashtuns, and not paki or indian pathans for you to get the point? The people you posted were all destitute and poor, with not a care to their appearance and yet they still look strikingly different compared to pakis or indians, I won't even get into the fact that most of them look like they're from nangarhar/jalalabad. No one's dodging anything here but you. If you're a daalkhor looking to group yourself with us go right ahead, the entire world, including your brethren know exactly how similar and different we are.

[scytsar]

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I'm not even denying some pashtuns can look indian, but what you're saying is all of us look indian which isn't true, even in pakistan they recognize that the 'pathans' up north are quite different looking not to mention foreign in culture.

Even if most pashtuns have a high south asian genetic component, it's still fact that even indians/pakis recognize we look way different to them

[Dynamo]

loooool

Yeah we can feel the breeze from Tuscany and Roma already mate...HAHA

(all group pics of Afghan Pashtuns)













nono... absolutely nothing south asian ... just tanned nordics/Atlanto-Meds..

Jokes aside, they resemble Tajiks, Baloch/Brahui, Sindhi, Kashmiri, Gujjars, Punjabi Jatt, and some other high caste northwest Hindu Indians the most. Good looking people.



The same perpetual problem with you and your co-worker dynamo is that you two only talk. Talk, talk, talk, for the same fucking sake of talking and trying to distort reality. Still not one paper or one combination of PCA's/plots posted by either of you to support your arguments and motives. You both only refrain in saying Pakistani Pashtuns are not representative and other types of bullcrap without posting any proof. You two obviously try to dodge every paper, plot and graph posted and resort in using weasel words, trolling, and posting individual examples to represent a whole population separated in two nations. You have some superiority feeling towards South Asian people who clearlyyyyy cluster very closely with Pashtuns as is seen in all my graphs, plots, papers, and even the random example posted by Dynamo.



Exactly and it's only due to geographical proximity as the Afghan Pashtuns live somewhat more northern. Nothing else. They try to blame everything on their Indo-Aryan genetic brethren living in wider South Asia.



Many many Pashtuns look Indid which is obvious as they cluster very closely with Sindhi's, Baloch, Kashmiris, etc. Even the posted results of your buddy show this ONCE again; he's closer to Sindhi's than to any West Asian population.


Can you post me a group pic of at least five Pashtuns on the same pic that can all pass for Mediterranean Europeans? I sincerely sincerely doubt your first subjective statement. Afghan = nationality comprising Pashtuns, Tajiks, Uzbeks, Turkmens, Hazara, Sikh, Hindu, Dardic, etc. Pashtun = ethnicity mainly living in Pakistan and Afghanistan. But yes I agree Afghanistan as a nation is clearly Central Asian and their culture is rather skewed towards the ME and especially Central Asia. However, the various ethnicities living there are definetely not homogenous. Pashtuns are historically tied to South-Central Asia, while the Tajiks, Uzbeks, etc are virtually only tied to Central Asia. As one can see in the graphs, plots, papers the Tajiks, Uzbeks etc all clearly fall in the Central Asian cluster. Pashtuns however, the ones from Pakistan fall clear cut in the South Asian cluster, and the Afghan Pashtuns are on the edge of the Central Asian/South Asian cluster. All sources in this thread posted show this. Even the random sample posted by Dynamo show that he's very close to both Central Asian ethnicities such as Tajiks, but also close to Sindhi's, who are clearly South Asian.



HAHA, it only confirms everything I said once again. Pashtuns from Afghanistan are on the bordering cluster of South Asia and Central Asia, while Pakistani Pashtuns fall clear cut in South Asia. That's why your friend, an Afghan Pashtun, gets a Pakistani Pashtun on the first place, a Tajik (central asian ethnicity) on the second place, and RIGHT after that a Burusho (SOUTH ASIAN), followed by three more Pakistani ethnicities (South Asian), and one Central Asian (Turkmen). You only confirmed all my statements once again.

Summary:

Afghani Pashtuns = border of the South Asian and Central Asian genetic cluster
Pakistani Pashtuns = South Asian clearly genetically
Pashtun culture (all Pashtuns) = Central Asian
Afghanistan = South-Central Asian

As you like random examples so much as well haha
Here, an Indian Punjabi Jatt, your close genetic brethren. Just for you.

MDLP World 22.

Population Averages:

MDLP World-22 Oracle results

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West-Asian 35.78
2 Indian 31.98
3 North-East-European 10.75
4 Indo-Iranian 8.34
5 Samoedic 3.19
6 North-European-Mesolithic 2.57
7 Near_East 1.84
8 North-Amerind 1.82
9 Indo-Tibetan 1.45
10 Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 1.41
11 East-Siberean 0.51
12 South-America_Amerind 0.34
13 Mesoamerican 0.02

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Pathan (derived) 6.52
2 Burusho (derived) 6.88
3 Sindhi (derived) 11.02
4 Balochi (derived) 14.25
5 Pashtun (derived) 14.27
6 Jew_India (derived) 17.12
7 Brahui (derived) 18.79
8 Makrani (derived) 19.09
9 Tadjik (derived) 20.14
10 Parsi (derived) 21.03
11 Hindu (derived) 25.37
12 Turkmen (derived) 27.1
13 Roma (derived) 27.97
14 Uzbek (derived) 31.47
15 Indian (derived) 33.64
16 Nogai (derived) 33.82
17 Kumyk (derived) 33.85
18 Hazara (derived) 34.06
19 Iranian (derived) 34.06
20 Azeri (derived) 34.07

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 86.4% Pathan (derived) + 13.6% Indian (derived) @ 3.83
2 82.8% Pathan (derived) + 17.2% Hindu (derived) @ 3.93
3 93.1% Pathan (derived) + 6.9% Indian (ancestral) @ 4.01
4 64.7% Pashtun (derived) + 35.3% Hindu (derived) @ 4.17
5 83.6% Pashtun (derived) + 16.4% Indian (ancestral) @ 4.49
6 56% Tadjik (derived) + 44% Hindu (derived) @ 4.54
7 79.6% Pathan (derived) + 20.4% Jew_India (derived) @ 4.99
8 57.9% Hindu (derived) + 42.1% Tabassaran (derived) @ 5.3
9 58.2% Hindu (derived) + 41.8% Lak (derived) @ 5.41
10 59% Hindu (derived) + 41% Avar (derived) @ 5.51
11 55.3% Pathan (derived) + 44.7% Burusho (derived) @ 5.78
12 58.2% Hindu (derived) + 41.8% Lezgin (derived) @ 5.86
13 96.2% Burusho (derived) + 3.8% North-East-European (ancestral) @ 5.9
14 95.6% Burusho (derived) + 4.4% Lithuanian (derived) @ 5.94
15 95.3% Burusho (derived) + 4.7% Belarusian (derived) @ 5.94
16 95.5% Burusho (derived) + 4.5% Lithuanian_V (derived) @ 5.96
17 95.6% Burusho (derived) + 4.4% Latvian (derived) @ 5.98
18 95.4% Burusho (derived) + 4.6% Russian (derived) @ 6.01
19 95.3% Burusho (derived) + 4.7% Polish (derived) @ 6.01
20 95.2% Burusho (derived) + 4.8% Polish_V (derived) @ 6.01

He's even closer to Pakistani Pashtuns than your friend is lol.

Dodecad k12b, Indian Punjabi Jatt

Admixture Results:

#Population Percent
1 Gedrosia 40.78
2 South_Asian 30.95
3 North_European 14.48
4 Caucasus 8.88
5 Southwest_Asian 2.32
6 Siberian 2.1
7 Atlantic_Med 0.41
8 East_African 0.1


Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Jatt @ 7.216
2 Pathan @ 9.177
3 Burusho @ 11.200
4 Sindhi @ 14.130
5 Brahmins_from_Uttar_Pradesh @ 15.545
6 Meena @ 17.089
7 Kshatriya @ 19.331
8 Brahmins_from_Tamil_Nadu @ 21.299
9 Indian @ 21.783
10 Cochin_Jews @ 21.856
223 iterations.
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You two are too butthurt and have a too high sense of superiority complexion to embrace and acknowledge the obvious facts that the Pashtun ethnic group are very close genetically to other Northwestern South Asian populations like the Punjabi Jatts, Kashmiris, Sindhi's, High Caste Northwestern Hindu Indians, Burusho. Those from Pakistan more than those from Afghanistan. Now it's time for both of you to lower your heads, and start making dat curry. Cheers

5 afghans? Ha. These are people I know so don't quote http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...oup-of-afghans
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...y-Afghan-teams Theres more if you bothered looking at the VIDEOS and pics I posted

[Dynamo]

According to the harappa ancestry project, the Sindhis were from a region in Baluchistan where many adopted Sindhi culture. Plus when I said they are not close with South asians, I meant North indians, jatts, Sikhs etc. Burushos, Kalash and sindhis are the only ones where were close. Fine. The afghabs form a complete separate cluster from the South asians ffs, why can't you accept that?

[Coon]

Pashtuns are clearly Pakistanis who speak an Iranic language. Very few of them could pass outside of Pakistan, let alone in Georgia or Turkey. Maybe they can pass as gypsies or Pakistani immigrants there.

[Dynamo]

How many times do I have to show AFGHAN Pashtuns results? Stop fucking showing me pathans from Pakistan that's irrekevant yo me, I showed you several studies done on us. We have little although present South asian influence. We do t cluster with South asians. We form our own cluster. And how many times did I say that pca plots just showed how western eurasian you are? Average iranian Turk lebanese are 93% western eurasuan. The 4 afghans individuals were 85%, 85% 86% and 88%. Just a couple percentage off the iranian ckuster but not within it, we accept that ffs!!!!!! We firm our own cluster