Pashtuns: A genetically South Asian ethnicity wrapped in self hate(?)

[Dynamo]

Pashtuns are clearly Pakistanis who speak an Iranic language. Very few of them could pass outside of Pakistan, let alone in Georgia or Turkey. Maybe they can pass as gypsies or Pakistani immigrants there.

Oksy thanks for your opinion Mr president. Now fuck off.

[scytsar]

Pashtuns are clearly Pakistanis who speak an Iranic language. Very few of them could pass outside of Pakistan, let alone in Georgia or Turkey. Maybe they can pass as gypsies or Pakistani immigrants there.

pakistani isn't an ethnicity, and most pakis in the west are punjabi/sindhi, people don't think of pashtun or balochi when they think of paki usually

literally anyone can pass in turkey, afghan pashtuns could pass as kurds in turkey or as central anatolians (for the afghan pashtuns who look a bit turkic)
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unless you're telling me the guy I posted, a typical phenotype for afghan pashtuns doesn't look a bit like a kurd

and lol seriously? I've been to turkey before with a turkish friend and he told me I fit right in (compared to our indian and white friend who looked out of place, white guy was scandi so he was a bit burnt by the sun and the indian was a punjabi)
when I'm with my arab (lebanese, pali and egyptian) friends and we go out for hookah or shawarma, the people serving us always assume I'm arab, and our iranian neighbors at one point back when we lived in an apartment thought we were iranian until they asked why we spoke farsi 'funny' after which they realized it's not one of the 38 dialects from iran. Our look is far too varied to make a generalization, the pictures we've been posting are the ones I'm used to as diaspora as well as kabul.

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all three are afghan, these are typical looks, even the guy on the right I'd recognize as a fellow afghan
but whatever to you guys every afghan either looks chinese or like a south indian, fine by me since these are just forums and opinion of people in real life matters most

Honestly the only people it's annoying to hear that shit from are iranians (in iran, or recent immigrants from iran) who like the video I posted above assume every afghan is a hazara. Indians and pakis don't even consider us to be even remotely the same, punjabis and pashtuns in pakistan are quite racist to one another even.

[Arhat]

Pashtuns are clearly Pakistanis who speak an Iranic language. Very few of them could pass outside of Pakistan, let alone in Georgia or Turkey. Maybe they can pass as gypsies or Pakistani immigrants there.

hahahaha, what the hell are you talking about? you probably never saw a pashtun so just shut up.Many pashtuns can look like italians and balkan people. But most have a west asian look (but still quite distinct) which is similar to persians,caucasians and levantine arabs. So about which pashtuns are you talking about??? Anatolian turks look like anything and anybody can pass there so this is also just bullshit

[Dynamo]

pakistani isn't an ethnicity, and most pakis in the west are punjabi/sindhi, people don't think of pashtun or balochi when they think of paki usually

literally anyone can pass in turkey, afghan pashtuns could pass as kurds in turkey or as central anatolians (for the afghan pashtuns who look a bit turkic)
Jamal.jpg
unless you're telling me the guy I posted, a typical phenotype for afghan pashtuns doesn't look a bit like a kurd

and lol seriously? I've been to turkey before with a turkish friend and he told me I fit right in (compared to our indian and white friend who looked out of place, white guy was scandi so he was a bit burnt by the sun and the indian was a punjabi)
when I'm with my arab (lebanese, pali and egyptian) friends and we go out for hookah or shawarma, the people serving us always assume I'm arab, and our iranian neighbors at one point back when we lived in an apartment thought we were iranian until they asked why we spoke farsi 'funny' after which they realized it's not one of the 38 dialects from iran. Our look is far too varied to make a generalization, the pictures we've been posting are the ones I'm used to as diaspora as well as kabul.

Kabul-Dreams-at-Base-Rock-Cafe-8-May-2011-44.jpg
all three are afghan, these are typical looks, even the guy on the right I'd recognize as a fellow afghan
but whatever to you guys every afghan either looks chinese or like a south indian, fine by me since these are just forums and opinion of people in real life matters most

Honestly the only people it's annoying to hear that shit from are iranians (in iran, or recent immigrants from iran) who like the video I posted above assume every afghan is a hazara. Indians and pakis don't even consider us to be even remotely the same, punjabis and pashtuns in pakistan are quite racist to one another even.

Exactly when I went to Turkey with my family, I swear to god they couldn't believe we werebt turks, they genuinely were gobsmacked. Every single day dunno how many people just randomly started talking to us in turkish, and when they realised we weren't talking in turkish, they would assume we were syrian. Tbh the iranians over here know hoe we look like

[scytsar]

hahahaha, what the hell are you talking about? you probably never saw a pashtun so just shut up.Many pashtuns can look like italians,balkan people and some even like eastern europeans. But most have a west asian look (but still quite distinct) which is similar to persians,northern caucasians and levantine arabs. So about which pashtuns are you talking about??? Anatolian turks look like anything and anybody can pass there so this is also just bullshit

nah we definitely don't look like anything euro, maybe SOME do but they're the whiter afghans of course, even farhad darya with his blue eyes and all can't pass
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here's one of him in a turban lol, what a difference
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Though I agree we mostly look like our own thing with a lot of overlap with arabs, iranians and of course, pakis

[scytsar]

Exactly when I went to Turkey with my family, I swear to god they couldn't believe we werebt turks, they genuinely were gobsmacked. Every single day dunno how many people just randomly started talking to us in turkish, and when they realised we weren't talking in turkish, they would assume we were syrian. Tbh the iranians over here know hoe we look like

yeah I was referring to recent immigrants
I guess people here are just trolling for the sake of it, I know I did over on pashtunforums so it might even be one of us.

[Arhat]

nah we definitely don't look like anything euro, maybe SOME do but they're the whiter afghans of course, even farhad darya with his blue eyes and all can't pass
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here's one of him in a turban lol, what a difference
Farhad_Longi.jpg
Though I agree we mostly look like our own thing with a lot of overlap with arabs, iranians and of course, pakis

you are right but i didnt mean that i just wrote that some can pass in southern europe.But even the white afghans have their own very special look and look quite different from most europeans. But of course we should not exaggerate that and think that afghans look like europeans

[Dynamo]

nah we definitely don't look like anything euro, maybe SOME do but they're the whiter afghans of course, even farhad darya with his blue eyes and all can't pass
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05ad27b1b8fec9303c37e80d8b1b64718096a77a.jpg
here's one of him in a turban lol, what a difference
Farhad_Longi.jpg
Though I agree we mostly look like our own thing with a lot of overlap with arabs, iranians and of course, pakis

No that's true, however when I went to a Fatiha( pronouncec fotyoh in Farsi lol) I swear there like 600 people, I saw way too many light eyed light haired afggans, I even heard them talking in Farsi or Pashto to make sure they weren't englush lol.

[Dynamo]

yeah I was referring to recent immigrants
I guess people here are just trolling for the sake of it, I know I did over on pashtunforums so it might even be one of us.

You were a troll?

[Sky earth]

lol.Are you fucking serious? Tajiks of northern afghanistan are very different from the rest of the country and this areas are populated by Uzbeks.Tajiks of kabul,panjshir or parwan are almost entirely caucasoid and just show me one sample of a afghan tajik who is not from the north with so much east asian admixture

Ghilzai are not turks and even dont dream about that in your wet pan-turanian dreams.Ghilzai have nothing to do with turks and they are descendants of nomadic iranic tribes (hepthalites,saka,kushan) who mixed with sedentary iranic tribes like bactrians.

Before their expansion into India, the Khalji people were mainly concentrated in Turkestan,[40][41][42] from one of the older members of the Hephthalite confederation, and included many nomads near Bactria (in Turfan) and east of modern Ghazni. Many migrated to various parts of Persia, including to parts of what are now Turkmenistan, Afghanistan, Pakistan and India, then under the control of the Ghaznavids.[43] In Iran they migrated mainly to Pars, where they settled an isolated region which is called today Khaljistan ("land of Khaljis"). However, Persian-speakers in Iran also used the term Khalji to describe nomads of Turkic background in their country.[43] The Khaljis began to become Pashtunized (Afghanized) since the 8th century and later known as Ghilzais, part of the Pashtun ethnic group.[44]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khilj...#Khalji_people

The Turkic origin of Khiljis isn't new science . The modern Ghilzais are Pashtuns because they mixed so extensively with Eastern Iranians that they became Pashtuns. Hepthalites, Sakas and any other steppe nomads in Central Asia were half Turkic anyway.