Pashtuns: A genetically South Asian ethnicity wrapped in self hate(?)

[scytsar]

Might be off topic, but how come some Northwest Indians with no recent admixture can be as light as Freddie Mercury and Salmon Rushdie? Those two do look more Middle Eastern, than Indian. Well Mercury's family were Parsis, so they are of mainly Iranian stock I guess. What about Muslim Kashmiri Indian or Pakistanis like Rushdie?

You're right on freddie but salman rushdie is from kashmir where they look a bit different to others in the surrounding regions.

[Sky earth]

just look at our dna and see how much typical iranic y-dna and autosomal dna we have and then see how much east asian y-dna and autosomal anatolian turks have.We are still close to original iranic people like pamiri but you are not even remotely related to real turks today.Actually many pashtuns were persianized in the last centuries and it is not easy for a foreigner to be so easily assimilated in the pashtun community but that happened sometimes.But anatolian turks are just a nation full of people with a Stockholm syndrome

Something like an Iranic Y-DNA doesn't exist. You're talking bullnuts. Anatolian Turks have 7-12% Mongoloid on average whereas Turkmens have 8-25 % Mongoloid admixture. The "Turks are natives who switched to speak a Turkic language " theory has been already disproved by genetics. Why do Turks have Stockholm Syndrome as nation? Turks are linguistically Turkic and also partially genetically.

[scytsar]

Afganistan:




Eurasian Heartland

Eurasian Heartland can be found across a large band in the center of the Eurasian continent. It travels from the north of Europe south toward the narrow base of the Indian subcontinent. Within South Asia, it is the partner to the Indian Tectonic cluster. Across the center of Eurasia, it highlights the ancient influence of the Iranian nomads, Scythians, Sarmatians, and Cimmerians.

As early farmers moved west out of the hills of the Levant nearly 10,000 years ago, they mostly went into Europe and North Africa. The ancestors of the Eurasian Heartland, however, cautiously explored their possibilities to the east. They came into the light of history as the Persians, Sogdians, and Afghans, and have always had a hand on the turning points of history between the west and the east.

With the movement of millions from the Indian subcontinent, Eurasian Heartland has appeared in the Pacific, the New World, and Southeast Asia. Millions of displaced Afghans have also brought it west into Iran, and reinforced it in Pakistan.

Hold on a minute, what are you saying here? Afghans didn't even exist during the time of the sogdians or when the persians were still being ruled by parthians. Back then we were bactrians, arachosians, paropamisidaeans, kushans, hepthalites, scythians and a few others I'm forgetting. There's not much influence coming from refugees into iran or pakistan since to iran most of the 'afghan' refugees are hazara and to pakistan they're mostly pashtuns going into pashtun land in pakistan.

[TheForeigner]

You're right on freddie but salman rushdie is from kashmir where they look a bit different to others in the surrounding regions.

You mean his relatively light Middle Eastern look is typical there?

[scytsar]

You mean his relatively light Middle Eastern look is typical there?

Salman Rushdie is a bit lighter and obviously his eyes are lighter than most but most kashmiris I've met in real life look like these. There's a bit of overlap between the two I guess.
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[Dynamo]

just look at our dna and see how much typical iranic y-dna and autosomal dna we have and then see how much east asian y-dna and autosomal anatolian turks have.We are still close to original iranic people like pamiri but you are not even remotely related to real turks today.Actually many pashtuns were persianized in the last centuries and it is not easy for a foreigner to be so easily assimilated in the pashtun community but that happened sometimes.But anatolian turks are just a nation full of people with a Stockholm syndrome

Fst distance between pashtuns and pamiris is 0.004. That's extremely close, backs up your point.

[jatt]

Pushtoons are good looking and nice people.. instead of denying the inner mongoloid they should embrace it. mongoloid race is great race in my opinion and have given a lot the world n there should b no shame in having traces of their linages in their genes. n regarding why south Asians shouldn't perceive them as south Asians here is why some south Asians are perplexed when afghans deny



people from shillong ...... eastern india ..... south Asians



people from chhenai ..... south india....south Asians



kashmiris



dardic people south Asians



afghans ... they are not south Asians ... r u kidding me

[scytsar]

Pushtoons are good looking and nice people.. instead of denying the inner mongoloid they should embrace it. mongoloid race is great race in my opinion and have given a lot the world n there should b no shame in having traces of their linages in their genes. n regarding why south Asians shouldn't perceive them as south Asians here is why some south Asians are perplexed when afghans deny



people from shillong ...... eastern india ..... south Asians



people from chhenai ..... south india....south Asians



kashmiris



dardic people south Asians



afghans ... they are not south Asians ... r u kidding me

what mongoloid you autistic obsessed troll? You're literally posting old people and elders now and not youth whether in afghanistan or the west but yeah those are definitely pashtuns, you need to visit an optometrist if you think they're anything similar to daalkhors. There's a reason they call it the irano-afghan race and not anything else for christ's sake. first south asian and now mongoloid? Just end yourself, your mother must have dropped you on your head as a child for you to end up this retarded.

And you literally have to be trolling, every single indian and paki I know does not consider us south asian and considers us a completely foreign, with very little in common.

As everyone here have said, we're literally our own thing, we definitely have south asian in us as the genetic studies show (each showing an average of 7-12%), there's minimal asian and everything else is as it's written, now screw off and stop trying to lump us in with you when your own people on the overwhelming majority don't, when we consider ourselves not related to you and when the entire world shares the same sentiment.

[StonyArabia]

I just read Pashtuns are mixed with Arabs? Are you serious the Arabs had barely any impact. Also Pashtuns don't show any genetic affinity to Arabia/Arabians like Levantines do, and to lesser extent some people in Southern Europe. Anyways Pashtuns seem to be mixed around the people around them, not Arabs. Although some might claim to be Syeds or Sharifs but often these ancestries are false with the exception of the Royal House of Hashemite in Arabia, Iraq, and Jordan. Also Pashtuns barely show any Semitic admixture, which often comes as sign of Arabian lineage. The Arabian impact was significant in the west in both linguistic and cultural aspect, but not so much in the east.

[scytsar]

I just read Pashtuns are mixed with Arabs? Are you serious the Arabs had barely any impact. Also Pashtuns don't show any genetic affinity to Arabia/Arabians like Levantines do, and to lesser extent some people in Southern Europe. Anyways Pashtuns seem to be mixed around the people around them, not Arabs. Although some might claim to be Syeds or Sharifs but often these ancestries are false with the exception of the Royal House of Hashemite in Arabia, Iraq, and Jordan. Also Pashtuns barely show any Semitic admixture, which often comes as sign of Arabian lineage. The Arabian impact was significant in the west in both linguistic and cultural aspect, but not so much in the east.

What you heard is false, or at least not completely true - arabs hardly have an impact, they probably have made more of an impact on western iran, during the Abbassid reign of khorasan there was some settling of arabs that occurred in eastern khorasan but it was quite minimal. Here's a link on that actually
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbasid...ion#Background