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Self-hater? lol, I don't think I was a part of the Ottoman dynasty. Germans who hate their Nazi past are self-haters too? Balkanites, Arabs etc. who hate Ottomans are self-haters too? Iranians are not Turks although they had been ruled by Turkic Qajar dynasty up to 1920s. You can't talk about science, history etc. here as you're pretty much an ignorant neo-ottoman fetishist who feels to differentiate between dynasties and countries. Sorry Ottoman is not my 'past'. This is my past:
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Not only UAE, Oman but even Jordan has all religious group living side by side. The Christian Bedos are our people and we feel more kin to them than anyone else. Blood is thicker than water. Anyone who discriminate against them is a scumbag. Today many Christian Bedos are happy and always had a great relationship with us. We Bedos don't divide ourselves over religion we are one people. Though it's nice to see Oman and UAE having the true Arabian tradition of tolerance and hospitality.
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You're an alevi. your kind is born with ottoman hate, millitarized by their family against ottomans and sunnis. (plus you're a kemalist who suffering from stockholm syndrome) this means you're just a waste of time. no one can argue this subject with people like you. conversation ends...
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Ataturk talking about Ottomans and lovers
"Sovereignty and the office of Sultan have never been granted through a debate or a discussion on academic grounds. Sovereignty and the office of Sultan are won by force, by power and violence. It was by violence that the Ottoman dynasty had grasped sovereign and royal prerogatives over Turkish nation. They have maintained their forcible dominion for six centuries. Today the Turkish nation has cried halt to the transgressors and, by an act of rebellion, has repossessed itself of its sovereign and royal prerogatives. This is an accomplished fact. The subject under discussion in not whether or not we are to allow the nation to keep these sovereign and royal prerogatives. What we are discussing is simply whether to give expression to a reality which has already become an accomplished fact. This will be done in any case. If those assembled here, if the Assembly, if all of us see the question in its natural light, I think we shall arrive at the right conclusion. But even if we do not, reality will still find its proper expression in its own way. Only then, some heads may fall".
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A local hero that was a combination of Wōthanaz and a Byzantine Greek bishop and saint. Rewriting history has never been this serious.
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During arab muslim conquest, some arabian christians supported arabian muslim against Byzantines just because they are both arabs against greek/rumi opression and many of them confused Islam only as other christian branch... But christian arabian royalty lost his rights as (even vassal of Byzantine) kings and became an exiled royalty into that remained of Byzantine Empire.
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Arab nationalists hate Ottoman Turks because they are racists and Balkan people dont like them as Ottomans were Muslim. Shia Turks really ruled Iran long time but they were assimilated Persian in the end and this happened not with Ottomans. This is why here lands of Ottomans is Turkiye today but Iran isnt Turkiye, it's Persia.
And Ottomans for Turks isnt like Nazi past of Germans this more like Habsburg for Austria.
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