Scytho-Turkic Z93 branch Z2125 vs. Indo-Aryan migration theory

[KawaiiKawaii]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altaic_languages

I know, but the theory is not accepted by most linguists. All these languages do have a relation to each other, not on a genetical level (with a common ancestor called Proto-Altaic), but on an areal level: they lived close to each other and developed some common features.
Just like Greek, Bulgarian, Romanian and Albanian form what is called the Balkan Sprachbund for example in your case.

[Proto-Shaman]

I know, but the theory is not accepted by most linguists. All these languages do have a relation to each other, not on a genetical level (with a common ancestor called Proto-Altaic), but on an areal level: they lived close to each other and developed some common features.
Just like Greek, Bulgarian, Romanian and Albanian form what is called the Balkan Sprachbund for example in your case.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altaic_languages

Here is some food for thought:

“However, we may look upon the Altaic taxon from the other angle. That is, from the point of view of the degree of the dispersion of the Indo-European family, whose dispersion is greater (V= 223.79%), than that of the Altaic (V= 207.76%) taxon. This speaks for the Altaic theory. Really, if the majority of linguists support the idea of the Indo-European family, then one should think twice before rejecting the Altaic taxon as a family, because the compactness of Altaic is greater.”

Yuri Tambovtsev. Novosibirsk Pedagogical University. Novosibirsk, Russia. “Language Taxons and the Naturalness of their Classification”. California Linguistic Notes. Volume XXX No. 2 Fall, 2005.

[Danishmend]

Genetically Bashkirs and Kyrgyz to be exact (see A. Klyosov). Any further questions?

Nonsense. Bashkirs & Kyrgyz may be genetically related to them, but that doesn't make them the same people.

[gültekin]

Most common haplogroups among Turkic peoples are R1a, R1b, Q, J2 & N. Fucking idiot.





The same can be said about Scythian/Sarmatian-wannabe Slavs. Neither your culture/language, nor your dna have anything to do with Scythians/Sarmatians and other nomadic horse peoples (Even North Caucasians have more ANE Admixture than Slavs). Slavs originate from Pripet Marshes, they were never really part of the Great Steppe (their language, military tactics, culture etc were alien to steppe) , yet they do view themselves as descendants of Scythian tribes, which is one of the funniest anthrofora myths if you ask me. Connecting Slavs to Scythians just because of R1a* is beyond idiotic.

Everything steppe-influenced in their culture & language is due to Cumans, Tatars and other Turkic peoples. Scythians and other tribes of the steppe were already absorbed into Turkic identity & culture when Slavs first stepped out of their marshes. Which is why Anna Comnena of Byzantium called the Pechenegs and their language "Scythian", and other Byzantine Historians called Oghuz Turks "descendants of ancient Massagetae". They were Turanist too, right?

The Cossacks were only steppe-influenced Slavic people. Their dress, military fashion, tactics, arms, armor etc was heavily influenced from neighboring Turk-Tatar, and later from North Caucasian peoples. Even the word "Cossack" is derived from Turkic "Kozak" or "Kazak". Slavs are not steppe people, never were, even though they live in the former lands of steppe peoples.

even some surnames, for example Shevchenko. Shevchen is a noble well known Circassian familie. -ko means son like -ov -sson - oglu etc. Shevchenko means son of Shevchen

[Proto-Shaman]

here is some more food for thought:

Prof. Tuna said in his last days: “We have likely worked in vain to reconstruct the Proto-Altaic;
what we have done was to reconstruct the Proto-Turkic.”

[KawaiiKawaii]

even some surnames, for example Shevchenko. Shevchen is a noble well known Circassian familie. -ko means son like -ov -sson - oglu etc. Shevchenko means son of Shevchen

Shevchenko (alternative spellings Schevchenko, Ševčenko, Shevcenko, Szewczenko; Ukrainian: Шевченко), a family name of Ukrainian origin. It is derived from the Ukrainian word shvets (Ukrainian: швець), "cobbler/shoemaker", and the suffix -enko, denoting descent.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shevchenko


When you have an idea, try first to verify if it's not retarded.

[Petros Houhoulis]

Most common haplogroups among Turkic peoples are R1a, R1b, Q, J2 & N. Fucking idiot.

Irrelevant, fucking idiot. The Hungarians speak a language spoken by a far away people whose common haplogroup is the N haplogroup: The Uralic languages:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uralic_languages

The Uralic languages /jʊˈrælɨk/ (sometimes called Uralian /jʊˈreɪliən/ languages) constitute a language family of some 38^[2] languages spoken by approximately 25 million people. The Uralic languages with the most native speakers are Hungarian, Finnish, and Estonian, which are official languages of Hungary, Finland, and Estonia, respectively, and of the European Union. Other Uralic languages with significant numbers of speakers are Erzya, Moksha, Mari, Udmurt, and Komi, which are officially recognized languages in various regions of Russia.
The name "Uralic" derives from the fact that areas where the languages are spoken spread on both sides of the Ural Mountains. Also, the original homeland (Urheimat) is commonly hypothesized to lie in the vicinity of the Urals.
Finno-Ugric is sometimes used as a synonym for Uralic, though Finno-Ugric is widely understood to exclude the Samoyedic languages.^[3]

Yet the Hungarians have a measly 1% N haplogroup! Nevertheless, it is more than certain that the N haplogroup generated the Uralic languages, because all of the Uralic speakers share a common haplogroup ONLY, the N haplogroup.

In a similar fashion, the Altaic speaking people might be majority R1a, R1b, Q, J2 & N, but the only haplogroup present in all of the Altaic speaking countries (from Turkey to Japan) is the C haplogroup... And its' maximum concentration is in Khazakstan, which is pretty close to the place where the Altaic languages were originally spoken...

The same can be said about Scythian/Sarmatian-wannabe Slavs. Neither your culture/language, nor your dna have anything to do with Scythians/Sarmatians and other nomadic horse peoples (Even North Caucasians have more ANE Admixture than Slavs). Slavs originate from Pripet Marshes, they were never really part of the Great Steppe (their language, military tactics, culture etc were alien to steppe) , yet they do view themselves as descendants of Scythian tribes, which is one of the funniest anthrofora myths if you ask me. Connecting Slavs to Scythians just because of R1a* is beyond idiotic.

All satem Indo-European languages have a common haplogroup: R1a, just as all R1b Indo-European languages have a common haplogroup: R1b.

Everything steppe-influenced in their culture & language is due to Cumans, Tatars and other Turkic peoples. Scythians and other tribes of the steppe were already absorbed into Turkic identity & culture when Slavs first stepped out of their marshes. Which is why Anna Comnena of Byzantium called the Pecheneg invaders and their language "Scythian", and other Byzantine Historians called Oghuz Turks "descendants of ancient Massagetae". They were Turanist too, right?

The Cossacks were only steppe-influenced Slavic people. Their dress, military fashion, tactics, arms, armor etc was heavily influenced from neighboring Turk-Tatar, and later from North Caucasian peoples. Even the word "Cossack" is derived from Turkic "Kozak" or "Kazak". Slavs are not steppe people, never were, even though they live in the former lands of steppe peoples.

[Duke]

you turks are retarded, in east europe and steppe ,horsmen were main type of warrior, but you are not Indo europeans, early turks are mongoloid, and you guys today are primarily anatolian, with minor mongol admix

Scythians were light haired people with Indoeuropan genes, and as study has shown they were not similar to Caucasus people

Ancient Y-DNA data was finally provided by Keyser et al in 2009. They studied the haplotypes and haplogroups of 26 ancient human specimens from the Krasnoyarsk area in Siberia were dated from between the middle of the 2nd millennium BC and the 4th century AD (Scythian and Sarmatian timeframe). Nearly all subjects belong to haplogroup R-M17. The authors suggest that their data shows that between Bronze and Iron Ages the constellation of populations known variously as Scythians, Andronovians, etc. were blue- (or green-) eyed, fair-skinned and light-haired people who might have played a role in the early development of the Tarim Basin civilization. Moreover, this study found that they were genetically more closely related to modern populations of eastern Europe than those of central and southern Asia.[38] The ubiquity and utter dominance of R1a Y-DNA lineage

[Proto-Shaman]

Nonsense. Bashkirs & Kyrgyz may be genetically related to them, but that doesn't make them the same people.

Bashkirs & Kyrgyz have the only haplotypes which are reasonably similar to that people who migrated 3400 years ago into India. This shows just the fallacy of the eurocentrics trying to own ancient Central Asians.

[Petros Houhoulis]

I know, but the theory is not accepted by most linguists. All these languages do have a relation to each other, not on a genetical level (with a common ancestor called Proto-Altaic), but on an areal level: they lived close to each other and developed some common features.
Just like Greek, Bulgarian, Romanian and Albanian form what is called the Balkan Sprachbund for example in your case.

Well, even if they have a relation in an areal level, this is enough proof enough to suggest that the speakers of Japanese and Koreans once lived close to the speakers of Turkish. This happened somewhere in Siberia, and the languages were moved from Japan and Korea all the way to Turkey by a small number of the C haplogroup nobility...