Scytho-Turkic Z93 branch Z2125 vs. Indo-Aryan migration theory

[TheForeigner]

Like i said, being Iranic is more to do with linguistic terms rather than racial one. I mean, i seriously doubt the Alans would have been any genetically different from other west asians and etc. People change their languages and identities all the time, and Turks are no exception to that rule either. Of course, cultural assimilation comes with admixture, and it varies from people to people. Some people have little admixture and some have a lot. Assyrians for example are a Semitic people, but genetically they are very close to Armenians, Kurds and other northern middle easterners and caucasians.

You think Alans were like northern Caucasians, butthey were described by Romans as northern European looking. And how come ''Assyrians''/Syriac or Aramean Christians are closer to Kurds and Armenians than to other Semites?

[Arhat]

So you think they are not real Alans or what? What about Jassic Hungarians?

they are of course alans and sarmatians but their ancient ancestors spoke most likely caucasian languages and were iranized by a scytho-sarmatian elite. The same is true is true for many other people because languages and cultures spread often through elites and not through genes

[Duke]

they are of course alans and sarmatians but their ancient ancestors spoke most likely caucasian languages and were iranized by a scytho-sarmatian elite. The same is true is true for many other people because languages and cultures spread often through elites and not through genes

So you belive once long long time ago in a fairytale Ossetians spread from Germany to mongolia?

Like this

[Kamal900]

You think Alans were like northern Caucasians, butthey were described by Romans as northern European looking. And how come ''Assyrians''/Syriac or Aramean Christians are closer to Kurds and Armenians than to other Semites?

Because being Semitic is just an ethno-linguistic term, and they are nothing but Semitized northern mesopotamian natives. As for Ossetians, maternally speaking, they do have genetic ties with the Alans, and this study shows it:
"In a study conducted in 2014 by VV Ilyinskyon on bone fragments from 12 Alanic burials on the Don River, 6 samples turned out belonging to yDNA Haplogroup G2 and 6 samples belonging to mtDNA I. This is a strong argument for direct Alan ancestry of Ossetians and against the hypothesis that Ossetians are alanized Caucasic Speakers, since the major Haplogroup among Ossetians is G2"
https://www.academia.edu/7061155/%D0...D0%A1._312-315

[TheForeigner]

Duke, Scytho-Sarmatians didn't spread so far either and they were not the only inhabitants in Scythia. Also, of course different tribes, in different regions ended up mixing with locals.

[Arhat]

So you belive once Caucasians spread from Germany to mongolia?

Like this

no i was only talking about the ossetians who seem to have a caucasian substrate and are genetically different from other scythians which were tested and had almost all y-dna r1a-z93. Northern scythians were genetically somewhere between eastern europeans , northern caucasians and modern non-mongolic central asians (tajiks, pashtuns, pamiri)

[TheForeigner]

I thought Semites came from Messopotamia, but Alans almost for sure did not came from Iran or Persia.

[TheForeigner]

no i was only talking about the ossetians who seem to have a caucasian substrate and are genetically different from other scythians which were tested and had almost all y-dna r1a-z93. Northern scythians were genetically somewhere between eastern europeans , caucasians and modern non-mongolic central asians (tajiks, pashtuns, pamiri)

Would this mean they were a mix of something like that?

[Duke]

no i was only talking about the ossetians who seem to have a caucasian substrate and are genetically different from other scythians which were tested and had almost all y-dna r1a-z93. Northern scythians were genetically somewhere between eastern europeans , caucasians and modern non-mongolic central asians (tajiks, pashtuns, pamiri)

because scythians expanded from Europe eastwards, and asimilating and mixing with everything in their path.

I told you why Caucasian people look similar to Balkan

Its scythians mixed with wogs

[Kamal900]

I thought Semites came from Messopotamia, but Alans almost for sure did not came from Iran or Persia.

Proto-semites came from southern Palestine/Israel, and they are characterized by the haplogroup J1e or J1c3 which most modern Arabian males belong to esp Yemeni men. Anyway, what im saying is that the Ossetians are a mixture between iranian and caucasian peoples, and they aren't Turanid or Turkic like these annoying Turanists are claiming them to be.