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    Quote Originally Posted by Danishmend View Post
    Why? Wait, because we are wannabe Europeans right? We even base our entire foreign policy on this. You are seriously a moron.
    Basically, as Turks, you are definitely more stupid than the Arabs... And you do not even bother to dispute my claims to this!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ice View Post
    Do you know anything about genetics?

    My east asian percentage is almost same as my central asian one. I didn't get it from slavs or gypsies (both aryans).
    What East Asian parentage? I didn't see any part of East Asia in the map you provided! Not even Central Asia is really present:



    Are you kidding yourself or what???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alphawolf View Post
    How could Herodotus have the linguistic knowledge to recognize the Scythians as Indo-European speakers. ?
    Herodotus only preserved their words, which were analysed much later by modern scientists:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythian_languages#Corpus

    Inscriptions

    Some scholars ascribe certain inscribed objects found in the Carpathian Basin and in Central Asia to the Scythians, but the interpretation of these inscriptions remains disputed (given that nobody has definitively identified the alphabet or translated the content).
    An inscription from Saqqez written in the Hieroglyphic Hittite script may represent Scythian: [9]
    Transliteration: par-tì-ta₅-wa₅ ki-ś₃-a₄-á KUR-u-pa-ti QU-wa-a₅ | i₅-pa-ś₂-a-m₂
    Transcription: Partitava xšaya DAHYUupati xva|ipašyam
    Translation: King Partitavas, the masters of the land property."
    King Partitava equates to the Scythian king called Prototyēs in Herodotus (1.103) and known as Par-ta-tu-a in the Assyrian sources. ("Partatua of Sakasene" married the daughter of Esarhaddon c. 675 BC)
    The Issyk inscription, found in a Scythian kurgan dating approximately to the 4th century BC, remains undeciphered, but some authorities assume that it represents Scythian.
    Personal names

    The primary sources for Scythian words remain the Scythian toponyms, tribal names, and numerous personal names in the ancient Greek texts and in the Greek inscriptions found in the Greek colonies on the Northern Black Sea Coast. These names suggest that the Scythian-Sarmatian language had close similarities to modern Ossetian.
    Some scholars believe that many toponyms and hydronyms of the Russian and Ukrainian steppe have Scythian links. For example, Vasmer associates the name of the river Don with an assumed/reconstructed unattested Scythian word *dānu "water, river", and with Avestan dānu-, Pashto dand and Ossetian don. [10] The river names Don, Donets, Dnieper, Danube, Dniester and lake Donuzlav (the deepest one in Crimea, Ukraine) may also belong with the same word-group. [11]
    Herodotus' Scythian etymologies

    The Greek historian Herodotus provides another source of Scythian; he reports that the Scythians called the Amazons Oiorpata, and explains the name as a compound of oior, meaning "man", and pata, meaning "to kill" (Hist. 4,110).

    • Most scholars associate oior "man" with Avestan vīra- "man, hero", Sanskrit vīra-, Latin vir (gen. virī) "man, hero, husband",[12][13] PIE *u̯iHro-. Various explanations account for pata "kill":
      1. Avestan paiti- "lord", Sanskrit pati-, PIE *poti-, cf. Lat. potestate (i.e. "man-ruler");[14]
      2. Ossetian maryn "kill", Pashto mrəl, Sanskrit mārayati, PIE *mer- "die" (confusion of Greek Μ and Π);[15]
      3. Ossetian fædyn "cleave", Sanskrit pātayati "fell", PIE *peth₂- "fall".[16]

    • Alternatively, one scholar suggests Iranian aiwa- "one" + warah- "breast",[17] the Amazons believed to have removed a breast to aid drawing a bow, according to some ancient folklorists, and as reflected in Greek folk-etymology: a- (privative) + mazos, "without breast".

    Elsewhere Herodotus explains the name of the mythical one-eyed tribe Arimaspoi as a compound of the Scythian words arima, meaning "one", and spu, meaning "eye" (Hist. 4,27).

    • Some scholars connect arima "one" with Ossetian ærmæst "only", Avestic airime "quiet", Greek erēmos "empty", PIE *h₁(e)rh₁mo-?, and spu "eye" with Avestic spas- "foretell", Sanskrit spaś-, PIE *speḱ- "see".[18]
    • However, Iranian usually expresses "one" and "eye" with words like aiwa- and čašman- (Ossetian īw and cæst).
    • Other scholars reject Herodotus' etymology and derive the ethnonym Arimaspoi from Iranian aspa- "horse" instead.[19]
    • Or the first part of the name may reflect something like Iranian raiwant- "rich", cf. Ossetian riwæ "rich".[20]

    Herodotus' Scythian theonyms

    Herodotus also gives a list of Scythian theonyms (Hist. 4.59):

    • Tabiti = Hestia. Perhaps related to Sanskrit Tapatī, a heroine in the Mahābhārata, literally "the burning (one)".[21]
    • Papaios = Zeus. Either "father" (Herodotus) or "protector", Avestan, Sanskrit pā- "protect", PIE *peh₃-.[22]
    • Api = Gaia. Either "mother"[23] or "water", Avestan, Sanskrit āp-, PIE Hep-[24]
    • Goitosyros or Oitosyros = Apollo. Perhaps Avestan gaēθa- "animal" + sūra- "rich".[25]
    • Argimpasa or Artimpasa = Aphrodite Urania. To Ossetic art and Pashto or, "fire", Avestan āθra-.[26]
    • Thagimasadas = Poseidon.

    Pliny the Elder

    Pliny the Elder's Natural History (AD 77-79) derives the name of the Caucasus from the Scythian kroy-khasis = ice-shining, white with snow (cf. Greek cryos = ice-cold).
    Herodotus did not categorize their language, as you can see...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petros Houhoulis View Post
    What East Asian parentage? I didn't see any part of East Asia in the map you provided! Not even Central Asia is really present:



    Are you kidding yourself or what???
    I have tested myself on 23andme and later on ftdna. I knew i was +/- 15 east/central asian before ftdna published my results. According to ftdna there was no such thing as east asian populations. You can say my euro/indian pop is highly siberian/east asian shifted. This is the updated version:


    Btw, i didnt say sycthians were turkic in origin, i dont think they were slav either. I'm just saying turks/turkics have absorbed sycithian blood. More than dark skinned, unibrowed, long faced shia's who call themself persian those days.

    Btw, sogdians have assimilated in turkish gene pool before the seljuks even entered anatolia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petros Houhoulis View Post
    Herodotus only preserved their words, which were analysed much later by modern scientists:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scythian_languages#Corpus



    Herodotus did not categorize their language, as you can see...
    Add to that the Khotanese Scythian inscriptions of West China.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ice View Post
    Btw, i didnt say sycthians were turkic in origin, i dont think they were slav either. I'm just saying turks/turkics have absorbed sycithian blood. More than dark skinned, unibrowed, long faced shia's who call themself persian those days.
    Even when you talk about sycthians you try to provoke, you radical islamist. Would you like to hear that if I call you as a gypsy sunni?

    Don't do that again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petros Houhoulis View Post
    It's just a fucking random similarity you idiot. Just because it is close (not even identical) doesn't prove anything. All languages have words resembling other unrelated words of other languages...
    no is not you retarded fuck, seems you didn't get your daily medicine. what a surprice

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    Quote Originally Posted by Instinct View Post
    Even when you talk about sycthians you try to provoke, you radical islamist. Would you like to hear that if I call you as a gyspy sunni?

    Don't do that again.
    I thought alevi's were shaman turcomans.. even kurds are more loyal to turkey than you alevi's.

    Why are you defending iran/shia?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ice View Post
    I have tested myself on 23andme and later on ftdna. I knew i was +/- 15 east/central asian before ftdna published my results. According to ftdna there was no such thing as east asian populations. You can say my euro/indian pop is highly siberian/east asian shifted. This is the updated version:


    Btw, i didnt say sycthians were turkic in origin, i dont think they were slav either. I'm just saying turks/turkics have absorbed sycithian blood. More than dark skinned, unibrowed, long faced shia's who call themself persian those days.

    Btw, sogdians have assimilated in turkish gene pool before the seljuks even entered anatolia.
    even "dark skinned, unibrowed, long faced shia" persians have more scythian blood than you. Your ancestors were maybe greeks, armenians, kurds, balkan slavs, arabs or caucasians but not scythians or sogdians

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vir9 View Post
    even dark "dark skinned, unibrowed, long faced shia" persians have more scythian blood than you. Your ancestors were maybe greeks, armenians, kurds, balkan slavs, arabs or caucasians but not scythians or sogdians
    keep dreaming about that,

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