Eurogenes K13

**sonofthedutch** · 06-13-2015, 09:32 PM

1 North_Atlantic 52.73
2 Baltic 20.43
3 West_Med 12.82
4 West_Asian 6.78
5 East_Med 4.23
6 Sub-Saharan 1.03

1 Southwest_English 3.55
2 West_Scottish 3.98
3 Southeast_English 4.28
4 Irish 4.45
5 Orcadian 4.76
6 North_Dutch 6.16
7 Danish 6.75
8 North_German 8.32
9 Norwegian 8.4
10 South_Dutch 8.41

**jtoml3** · 06-13-2015, 10:30 PM

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 42.47
2 Baltic 25.81
3 West_Med 13.93
4 East_Med 9.01
5 West_Asian 5.43
6 Oceanian 1.54
7 South_Asian 0.8
8 East_Asian 0.53
9 Amerindian 0.3
10 Red_Sea 0.1
11 Sub-Saharan 0.09

**Neon Knight** · 06-13-2015, 10:38 PM

It would be interesting to see the Oracle results for Polk and jtoml3.

**Neon Knight** · 06-13-2015, 10:43 PM

Originally Posted by Gooding

Eurogenes K13 4-Ancestors Oracle

K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 47.97
2 Baltic 24.33
3 West_Med 14.79
4 West_Asian 5.01
5 East_Med 4.12

Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Southeast_English @ 3.296912
2 Orcadian @ 4.506057
3 Southwest_English @ 4.917368
4 North_Dutch @ 5.169475
5 South_Dutch @ 5.559696
6 Danish @ 5.706536
7 Irish @ 5.803369
8 North_German @ 6.000377
9 West_Scottish @ 6.416744
10 West_German @ 7.110640
11 Norwegian @ 7.726747
12 Swedish @ 9.248416
13 French @ 11.883265
14 Austrian @ 13.049087
15 East_German @ 13.538095
16 North_Swedish @ 15.265244
17 Hungarian @ 18.612736
18 Spanish_Cataluna @ 19.988382
19 Southwest_French @ 20.807871
20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 21.246466

If I remember correctly you got different GEDmatch results from two different DNA tests. Can you show us the comparison again for the K13 (inc. the 1-population Oracle)?

**jtoml3** · 06-13-2015, 10:57 PM

Originally Posted by Neon Knight

It would be interesting to see the Oracle results for Polk and jtoml3.

This is from my 23andMe data. The Oracle results differ slightly from the FTDNA ones. If you want to see those too let me know.

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_German 3.75
2 South_Dutch 4.97
3 Austrian 6.51
4 North_German 7.2
5 East_German 7.88

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 65.6% Southeast_English + 34.4% Serbian @ 2.07
2 89.1% West_German + 10.9% Belorussian @ 2.2
3 89.4% West_German + 10.6% La_Brana-1 @ 2.22
4 90.6% West_German + 9.4% Lithuanian @ 2.25
5 89.6% West_German + 10.4% Estonian @ 2.25

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Hungarian +50% Southeast_English @ 2.915738

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Austrian +25% Southeast_English +25% West_German @ 2.542835

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Bulgarian + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + Swedish @ 2.041975
2 Hungarian + Southeast_English + West_German + West_German @ 2.136083
3 Danish + Serbian + Southeast_English + West_German @ 2.234594
4 North_Swedish + Southeast_English + Swedish + Tuscan @ 2.245362
5 Serbian + Southeast_English + Swedish + West_German @ 2.260112

**Lawalye** · 08-31-2015, 04:45 AM

1 North_Atlantic 43.00
2 Baltic 20.00
3 West_Med 14.98
4 East_Med 11.31
5 West_Asian 8.21
6 South_Asian 1.19
7 Amerindian 1.17
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1 West_German 3.71
2 South_Dutch 5.01
3 French 6.19
4 Southeast_English 9.54
5 North_German 10.61
6 Austrian 10.64
7 Southwest_English 11.35
8 Orcadian 11.74
9 Danish 11.74
10 North_Dutch 11.8

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% West_German +50% West_German @ 4.153171

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Danish +25% South_Italian +25% Southeast_English @ 2.240144

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Danish + South_Italian + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 1.961038
2 Norwegian + South_Italian + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 2.004676
3 Danish + Irish + South_Italian + Southeast_English @ 2.006379
4 Danish + Orcadian + South_Italian + Southeast_English @ 2.015393
5 Danish + South_Italian + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 2.079811
6 Danish + Italian_Abruzzo + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 2.106190
7 Italian_Abruzzo + North_German + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 2.108776
8 North_Dutch + Orcadian + South_Italian + Southeast_English @ 2.142874
9 North_Dutch + South_Italian + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 2.151430
10 Irish + North_Dutch + South_Italian + Southeast_English @ 2.159308

**Gooding** · 08-31-2015, 04:59 AM

Originally Posted by Neon Knight

If I remember correctly you got different GEDmatch results from two different DNA tests. Can you show us the comparison again for the K13 (inc. the 1-population Oracle)?

Sure. That top one was my raw data from the 23andMe kit, which I just happen to trust a bit more, but here's the AncestryDNA raw data:

Gedmatch.Com

Eurogenes K13 4-Ancestors Oracle
This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: Alexandr.Burnashev@gmail.com
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 47.73
2 Baltic 23.99
3 West_Med 14.64
4 West_Asian 5.38
5 East_Med 4.17
6 Amerindian 1.23
7 Red_Sea 1.06

Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Southeast_English @ 3.466228
2 Orcadian @ 4.705978
3 Southwest_English @ 5.060140
4 South_Dutch @ 5.245272
5 North_Dutch @ 5.299627
6 Danish @ 5.814469
7 Irish @ 5.853244
8 North_German @ 5.922781
9 West_Scottish @ 6.513793
10 West_German @ 6.742904
11 Norwegian @ 7.926299
12 Swedish @ 9.455050
13 French @ 11.612298
14 Austrian @ 12.926639
15 East_German @ 13.513567
16 North_Swedish @ 15.459769
17 Hungarian @ 18.460772
18 Spanish_Cataluna @ 19.822258
19 Southwest_French @ 20.750923
20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 21.080109

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Orcadian +50% South_Dutch @ 1.776390

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% North_Dutch +25% Spanish_Cantabria +25% Swedish @ 1.265724

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 North_German + Norwegian + Norwegian + Spanish_Cantabria @ 1.043706
2 Irish + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Swedish + Swedish @ 1.134697
3 Irish + Norwegian + Spanish_Cataluna + Swedish @ 1.159044
4 Austrian + Southeast_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 1.233354
5 Irish + Norwegian + Portuguese + Swedish @ 1.234331
6 North_Dutch + Norwegian + Spanish_Cantabria + Swedish @ 1.234477
7 Irish + Norwegian + Spanish_Extremadura + Swedish @ 1.254759
8 North_Dutch + North_Dutch + Spanish_Cantabria + Swedish @ 1.265724
9 North_Dutch + Norwegian + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Swedish @ 1.273651
10 Irish + Spanish_Cataluna + Swedish + Swedish @ 1.273921
11 Irish + Spanish_Valencia + Swedish + Swedish @ 1.275421
12 Irish + North_Dutch + Spanish_Cataluna + Swedish @ 1.277313
13 Irish + North_German + Spanish_Cantabria + Swedish @ 1.295973
14 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Swedish + Swedish + West_Scottish @ 1.315739
15 Austrian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 1.324346
16 Norwegian + Norwegian + Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + Swedish @ 1.326395
17 Spanish_Cataluna + Swedish + Swedish + West_Scottish @ 1.327074
18 Irish + Irish + North_Swedish + Spanish_Cataluna @ 1.327237
19 Irish + Norwegian + Spanish_Galicia + Swedish @ 1.329181
20 Austrian + Orcadian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English @ 1.332876

Done.

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**'owight Gavnah** · 09-11-2015, 10:39 AM

mine - afghan

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 36.45
2 South_Asian 23.43
3 East_Med 13.31
4 Baltic 7
5 Siberian 6.21
6 North_Atlantic 5.42
7 East_Asian 3.7
8 West_Med 2.95
9 Amerindian 0.94
10 Northeast_African 0.33
11 Red_Sea 0.26

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Afghan_Tadjik 8.64
2 Afghan_Pashtun 8.65
3 Tadjik 9.92
4 Turkmen 13.8
5 Makrani 16.4
6 Burusho 16.91
7 Pathan 17.14
8 Kalash 17.83
9 Balochi 19.36
10 Brahui 19.82
11 Kumyk 19.87
12 Iranian 20.81
13 Azeri 20.85
14 Kabardin 21.58
15 Balkar 21.67
16 Tabassaran 21.85
17 Kurdish 21.94
18 Punjabi_Jat 22.12
19 Chechen 22.14
20 Lezgin 22.27

**firemonkey** · 09-11-2015, 08:44 PM

FTDNA

1 North_Atlantic 52.52
2 Baltic 23.51
3 West_Med 11.88
4 West_Asian 4.56
5 East_Med 2.29
6 Red_Sea 1.7
7 Amerindian 1.11
8 Northeast_African 0.92
9 East_Asian 0.52
10 Siberian 0.5
11 South_Asian 0.31
12 Oceanian 0.19

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 98.3% West_Scottish + 1.7% Ethiopian_Tigray @ 1.44
2 98.3% West_Scottish + 1.7% Ethiopian_Amhara @ 1.44
3 98.5% West_Scottish + 1.5% Somali @ 1.48
4 98.4% West_Scottish + 1.6% Ethiopian_Oromo @ 1.48
5 98.5% West_Scottish + 1.5% Ethiopian_Wolayta @ 1.49
6 98.8% West_Scottish + 1.2% Ethiopian_Ari_cultivator @ 1.6
7 98.8% West_Scottish + 1.2% Maasai @ 1.67
8 98.6% West_Scottish + 1.4% Yemenite_Jewish @ 1.68
9 99% West_Scottish + 1% Ethiopian_Gumuz @ 1.69
10 98.5% West_Scottish + 1.5% Egyptian @ 1.7
11 98.6% West_Scottish + 1.4% Saudi @ 1.7
12 98.3% West_Scottish + 1.7% Moroccan @ 1.71
13 98.3% West_Scottish + 1.7% Algerian @ 1.72
14 98.9% West_Scottish + 1.1% Sandawe @ 1.72
15 99% West_Scottish + 1% Hadza @ 1.72
16 99.1% West_Scottish + 0.9% Ethiopian_Anuak @ 1.74
17 98.4% West_Scottish + 1.6% Mozabite_Berber @ 1.74
18 99.1% West_Scottish + 0.9% Sudanese @ 1.76
19 98.7% West_Scottish + 1.3% Bedouin @ 1.77
20 74.1% West_Scottish + 25.9% Danish @ 1.8

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 West_Scottish @ 2.163
2 Irish @ 2.896
3 Orcadian @ 3.352
4 Southwest_English @ 4.357
5 North_Dutch @ 4.712
6 Southeast_English @ 5.199
7 Danish @ 5.734
8 Norwegian @ 6.032
9 North_German @ 8.457
10 Swedish @ 9.524
204 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% West_Scottish +50% West_Scottish @ 2.163
2 50% Irish +50% West_Scottish @ 2.442
3 50% Orcadian +50% West_Scottish @ 2.520
4 50% North_Dutch +50% West_Scottish @ 2.848
5 50% Irish +50% Irish @ 2.896
6 50% Irish +50% Orcadian @ 2.906
7 50% Southwest_English +50% West_Scottish @ 2.934
8 50% Norwegian +50% Southwest_English @ 3.064
9 50% Irish +50% Southwest_English @ 3.130
10 50% Southeast_English +50% West_Scottish @ 3.167
20910 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% West_Scottish +25% West_Scottish +25% West_Scottish @ 2.163
2 50% West_Scottish +25% North_Dutch +25% West_Scottish @ 2.250
3 50% West_Scottish +25% Orcadian +25% West_Scottish @ 2.261
4 50% West_Scottish +25% Irish +25% West_Scottish @ 2.276
5 50% West_Scottish +25% Norwegian +25% Southwest_English @ 2.276
6 50% West_Scottish +25% Norwegian +25% West_Scottish @ 2.320
7 50% West_Scottish +25% Irish +25% Orcadian @ 2.411
8 50% West_Scottish +25% Southwest_English +25% West_Scottish @ 2.416
9 50% West_Scottish +25% Southeast_English +25% West_Scottish @ 2.429
10 50% West_Scottish +25% North_Dutch +25% Southwest_English @ 2.434
678274 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.163
2 North_Dutch + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.250
3 Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.261
4 Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.276
5 Norwegian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.276
6 Norwegian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.320
7 Irish + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.411
8 Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.416
9 Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.429
10 North_Dutch + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.434
11 Irish + Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.442
12 Irish + North_Dutch + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.475
13 Irish + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.513
14 Danish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.513
15 Irish + Norwegian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.514
16 Orcadian + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.520
17 Irish + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.552
18 Irish + Norwegian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.559
19 Norwegian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.567
20 North_Dutch + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.568

23andMe

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 52.73
2 Baltic 23.57
3 West_Med 11.9
4 West_Asian 4.17
5 East_Med 2.51
6 Red_Sea 1.5
7 Northeast_African 1.15
8 Amerindian 1.08
9 Siberian 0.59
10 East_Asian 0.43
11 Oceanian 0.35

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 West_Scottish 2.28
2 Orcadian 2.61
3 Irish 2.78
4 Southwest_English 3.79
5 North_Dutch 4.01
6 Southeast_English 4.12
7 Danish 4.77
8 Norwegian 5.45
9 North_German 6.99
10 Swedish 8.26
11 South_Dutch 9.3
12 West_German 10.53
13 French 14.25
14 North_Swedish 14.36
15 Austrian 15.88
16 East_German 16.14
17 Hungarian 20.41
18 Spanish_Cataluna 21.05
19 Southwest_French 21.92
20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 21.94

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 98.2% West_Scottish + 1.8% Ethiopian_Tigray @ 1.82
2 98.3% West_Scottish + 1.7% Ethiopian_Amhara @ 1.82
3 98.4% West_Scottish + 1.6% Ethiopian_Wolayta @ 1.84
4 98.4% West_Scottish + 1.6% Ethiopian_Oromo @ 1.84
5 98.4% West_Scottish + 1.6% Somali @ 1.85
6 98.7% West_Scottish + 1.3% Ethiopian_Ari_cultivator @ 1.93
7 98.9% West_Scottish + 1.1% Ethiopian_Gumuz @ 2
8 98.7% West_Scottish + 1.3% Maasai @ 2.01
9 98.9% West_Scottish + 1.1% Hadza @ 2.04
10 98.8% West_Scottish + 1.2% Sandawe @ 2.05
11 99% West_Scottish + 1% Ethiopian_Anuak @ 2.06
12 99% West_Scottish + 1% Sudanese @ 2.08
13 98.7% West_Scottish + 1.3% Yemenite_Jewish @ 2.08
14 98.5% West_Scottish + 1.5% Egyptian @ 2.09
15 98.3% West_Scottish + 1.7% Moroccan @ 2.09
16 98.3% West_Scottish + 1.7% Algerian @ 2.09
17 98.4% West_Scottish + 1.6% Tunisian @ 2.11
18 98.4% West_Scottish + 1.6% Mozabite_Berber @ 2.11
19 98.8% West_Scottish + 1.2% Saudi @ 2.12
20 97.3% West_Scottish + 2.7% La_Brana-1 @ 2.14

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 West_Scottish @ 2.445381
2 Orcadian @ 2.801820
3 Irish @ 3.090581
4 Southwest_English @ 4.079818
5 North_Dutch @ 4.470723
6 Southeast_English @ 4.585011
7 Danish @ 5.333041
8 Norwegian @ 6.092976
9 North_German @ 7.964433
10 Swedish @ 9.309278
11 South_Dutch @ 10.631128
12 West_German @ 12.132713
13 North_Swedish @ 16.188072
14 French @ 16.250372
15 Austrian @ 18.245956
16 East_German @ 18.490625
17 Hungarian @ 23.504978
18 Spanish_Cataluna @ 23.857307
19 Southwest_French @ 24.606785
20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 24.847672

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Orcadian +50% West_Scottish @ 2.309369

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Orcadian +25% West_Scottish +25% West_Scottish @ 2.309369

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.292434
2 Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.301936
3 Orcadian + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.309369
4 North_Dutch + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.324097
5 North_Dutch + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.330362
6 Norwegian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.339781
7 Orcadian + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.404918
8 North_Dutch + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.408655
9 Irish + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.417958
10 Orcadian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.427908
11 Irish + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.444764
12 West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.445381
13 Norwegian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.451610
14 Danish + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.459154
15 Norwegian + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.459786
16 North_Dutch + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.472844
17 Orcadian + Orcadian + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 2.474714
18 Irish + Orcadian + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 2.482153
19 North_Dutch + Orcadian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.483617
20 Norwegian + Orcadian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.488283

**YupYup** · 09-19-2015, 01:58 PM

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 29.70
2 North_Atlantic 21.32
3 West_Med 19.55
4 East_Med 15.93
5 West_Asian 8.80
6 Red_Sea 1.88

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Serbian @ 7.353927
2 Romanian @ 7.362009
3 Bulgarian @ 7.894278
4 Moldavian @ 8.872655
5 Croatian @ 12.042534
6 Hungarian @ 14.495119
7 Greek_Thessaly @ 17.034615
8 Austrian @ 18.455502
9 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 18.964453
10 East_German @ 19.712315
11 Ukrainian @ 20.182220
12 South_Polish @ 20.342495
13 North_Italian @ 21.919218
14 Tuscan @ 22.851965
15 Southwest_Russian @ 23.637936
16 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 24.023638
17 Polish @ 24.037090
18 West_German @ 24.749525
19 Tatar @ 24.787016
20 Italian_Abruzzo @ 25.022493

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Thessaly +50% Ukrainian @ 4.071566

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Lithuanian +25% Sardinian +25% Turkish @ 3.514913

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Assyrian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Sardinian @ 3.094012
2 Lebanese_Muslim + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Sardinian @ 3.288300
3 Assyrian + Estonian + Lithuanian + Sardinian @ 3.414793
4 Cyprian + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Sardinian @ 3.487273
5 Georgian_Jewish + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Sardinian @ 3.500083
6 Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Sardinian + Turkish @ 3.514913
7 Belorussian + Lithuanian + Sardinian + Turkish @ 3.586098
8 Kurdish_Jewish + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Sardinian @ 3.612188
9 Estonian + Georgian_Jewish + Lithuanian + Sardinian @ 3.625539
10 Iranian_Jewish + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Sardinian @ 3.670070
11 Estonian_Polish + Lithuanian + Sardinian + Turkish @ 3.754569
12 Estonian + Kurdish_Jewish + Lithuanian + Sardinian @ 3.920205
13 Lebanese_Druze + Lithuanian + Lithuanian + Sardinian @ 3.930036
14 Central_Greek + Greek_Thessaly + Ukrainian + Ukrainian @ 3.959280
15 Croatian + Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Ukrainian @ 3.966641
16 Assyrian + Belorussian + Lithuanian + Sardinian @ 3.984462
17 Estonian + Iranian_Jewish + Lithuanian + Sardinian @ 3.993663
18 Estonian + Lebanese_Muslim + Lithuanian + Sardinian @ 4.002234
19 Lithuanian + Russian_Smolensk + Sardinian + Turkish @ 4.023817
20 Algerian_Jewish + Moldavian + Moldavian + Ukrainian @ 4.026710