Post your Indo-European score?

[Myanthropologies]

Ancient Iranic such as people of Sintashta (southern Ural) are genetically different to modern day Iranic people. Ancient Iranic of Sintashta are geneticall most similar to eastern and northern Europeans. See the PCA plot below based on Eurogenes K7 run. Two Iranic of Sintashta are genetically similar to me and Swedes.

We don't know anything about genetic profiles of western Yamnya people. We can only speculate about their genetic profiles

Well yeah, modern day iranics are mostly kavkazian genetically. But both Sintashta and Yamnaya were genetically diverse, with some being closer to eastern iranics, and some being very very very close to eastern and Northern Europeans. I have read somewhere that western Yamnaya was probably the origin of r1b, and to me, that makes a lot of sense. I guess we will have to wait and see.

Phenotypically Yamnaya definitely looked like you guys though. Genetically they seem mostly eastern European leaning as well.

[Rugevit]

I have read somewhere that western Yamnaya was probably the origin of r1b, and to me, that makes a lot of sense. I guess we will have to wait and see.

Yamnaya was a large culture spanning from Ural to modern day western Ukraine to northern Caucasus. Most likely it was diverse genetically. We only have genetic profiles of people living near present day Samara, which is just north-east of Caspian sea. This is eastern part of Yamanya archaeological culture.

Phenotypically Yamnaya definitely looked like you guys though. Genetically they seem mostly eastern European leaning as well.

Genetically, eastern Yamnaya people are most similar to present day Europeans.

[Myanthropologies]

Yamnaya was a large culture spanning from Ural to modern day western Ukraine to northern Caucasus. Most likely it was diverse genetically. We only have genetic profiles of people living near present day Samara, which is just north-east of Caspian sea. This is eastern part of Yamanya archaeological culture.



Genetically, eastern Yamnaya people are most similar to present day Europeans.

Ahh, thank you!

[SSlava]

! All haplogroupes brought in Europe from Asia. Perhaps I is native to Europe. Although it's related to J and was probably spread from Anatholia. Vadim Verenich lives in Estonia , who is a professional linguist. Population genetics is his hobby.

Yes, any data which don't correspond to your lie become at once from "fans"))
You consider a lie even data of scientists which won't be coordinated with your lies))

[SSlava]

[SSlava]

Adding all this won't give you a good approximation of a Yamnaya input, otherwise most people in Europe would be 70% Yamnaya. It's closer to an EHG x2.

For what it's worth, i get 29,92% (14,96x2) in K13.

Yes, something is not right to expect.

[Pahli]

Well yeah, modern day iranics are mostly kavkazian genetically. But both Sintashta and Yamnaya were genetically diverse, with some being closer to eastern iranics, and some being very very very close to eastern and Northern Europeans. I have read somewhere that western Yamnaya was probably the origin of r1b, and to me, that makes a lot of sense. I guess we will have to wait and see.

Phenotypically Yamnaya definitely looked like you guys though. Genetically they seem mostly eastern European leaning as well.

Sintashta MDLP World 22:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North-East-European 58.24
2 Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 19.97
3 West-Asian 9.67
4 North-European-Mesolithic 6.13
5 Indo-Iranian 2.71
6 Paleo-Siberian 1.44
7 North-Siberean 0.98
8 Sub-Saharian 0.76
9 Mesoamerican 0.1

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Ukrainian_V (derived) 7.12
2 Ukrainian-Center (derived) 7.44
3 Ukrainian-West (derived) 7.52
4 Mordovian_V (derived) 7.88
5 Slovakian (derived) 8.64
6 Latvian_V (derived) 8.7
7 German (derived) 9.54
8 Croatian_V (derived) 9.7
9 Czech (derived) 9.79
10 Sorb (derived) 9.81
11 Ukrainian-East (derived) 10.08
12 Russian_V (derived) 10.15
13 Belarusian_V (derived) 10.17
14 Mordovian (derived) 10.34
15 Russian_cossack (derived) 10.55
16 Russian_South (derived) 10.67
17 Polish_V (derived) 10.93
18 Ukrainian (derived) 11.16
19 Slovenian (derived) 11.29
20 German-North (derived) 11.29

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 94.3% Ukrainian_V (derived) + 5.7% Bra2 (derived) @ 4.83
2 93.9% Ukrainian-Center (derived) + 6.1% Bra2 (derived) @ 4.87
3 95.1% Ukrainian_V (derived) + 4.9% North-European-Mesolithic (ancestral) @ 4.89
4 86.3% Sorb (derived) + 13.7% Lak (derived) @ 4.92
5 85.9% Sorb (derived) + 14.1% Tabassaran (derived) @ 4.94
6 94.5% Ukrainian_V (derived) + 5.5% Bra1 (derived) @ 4.95
7 93.7% Ukrainian_V (derived) + 6.3% Saami (derived) @ 4.98
8 94.2% Ukrainian-Center (derived) + 5.8% Bra1 (derived) @ 5.01
9 94.9% Ukrainian-Center (derived) + 5.1% North-European-Mesolithic (ancestral) @ 5.03
10 86.4% Sorb (derived) + 13.6% Avar (derived) @ 5.09
11 93.4% Ukrainian-Center (derived) + 6.6% Saami (derived) @ 5.1
12 86.7% Sorb (derived) + 13.3% Lezgin (derived) @ 5.14
13 87.4% Sorb (derived) + 12.6% Ossetian (derived) @ 5.15
14 94.1% Ukrainian-West (derived) + 5.9% Bra2 (derived) @ 5.2
15 85.2% Sorb (derived) + 14.8% Tadjik (derived) @ 5.2
16 86.5% Sorb (derived) + 13.5% Chechen (derived) @ 5.21
17 94.9% Ukrainian-West (derived) + 5.1% North-European-Mesolithic (ancestral) @ 5.23
18 93.4% Ukrainian-West (derived) + 6.6% Saami (derived) @ 5.25
19 62.7% Latvian_V (derived) + 37.3% Swedish_V (derived) @ 5.29
20 85.6% Belarusian_V (derived) + 14.4% Tabassaran (derived) @ 5.29

There was an Eastern Yamnaya individual with significant CHG input, again results with MDLP World 22:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North-East-European 51.67
2 West-Asian 26.25
3 Samoedic 9.83
4 North-European-Mesolithic 5.2
5 Indo-Iranian 4
6 Indian 1.91
7 Sub-Saharian 0.59
8 Mesoamerican 0.46
9 Arctic-Amerind 0.1

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Tartar_Mishar (derived) 19.94
2 Tatar (derived) 21.34
3 Komi (derived) 21.46
4 Chuvash (derived) 21.59
5 Tatar_Kryashen (derived) 22.57
6 Mordovian (derived) 23.74
7 Latvian_V (derived) 23.91
8 Mordovian_V (derived) 26.05
9 Tatar_Lithuania (derived) 26.34
10 Russian_North (derived) 26.79
11 Moldavian (derived) 27.3
12 Udmurd (derived) 27.55
13 Ukrainian_V (derived) 27.75
14 Ukrainian-Center (derived) 28.02
15 Mari (derived) 28.02
16 Ukrainian-West (derived) 28.62
17 Russian_V (derived) 28.62
18 Ukrainian-East (derived) 28.81
19 Russian_South (derived) 28.9
20 Ukrainian (derived) 29.81

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 59.1% Tadjik (derived) + 40.9% North-East-European (ancestral) @ 8.69
2 78.9% Mordovian (derived) + 21.1% West-Asian (ancestral) @ 11.14
3 54.8% Lak (derived) + 45.2% North-East-European (ancestral) @ 11.21
4 56% Tabassaran (derived) + 44% North-East-European (ancestral) @ 11.26
5 52.9% Pashtun (derived) + 47.1% North-East-European (ancestral) @ 11.39
6 76.4% Russian_North (derived) + 23.6% West-Asian (ancestral) @ 11.4
7 54.1% Lezgin (derived) + 45.9% North-East-European (ancestral) @ 11.67
8 55.7% Avar (derived) + 44.3% North-East-European (ancestral) @ 11.7
9 51.8% Tadjik (derived) + 48.2% Lithuanian (derived) @ 11.9
10 50.9% Tadjik (derived) + 49.1% Latvian (derived) @ 12.1
11 81.7% Komi (derived) + 18.3% West-Asian (ancestral) @ 12.28
12 71.6% Estonian (derived) + 28.4% West-Asian (ancestral) @ 12.29
13 76.4% Moldavian (derived) + 23.6% West-Asian (ancestral) @ 12.58
14 65.2% Mordovian (derived) + 34.8% Avar (derived) @ 12.73
15 53.6% Chechen (derived) + 46.4% North-East-European (ancestral) @ 12.73
16 51.8% North-East-European (ancestral) + 48.2% Brahui (derived) @ 12.87
17 53% Latvian (derived) + 47% Avar (derived) @ 12.89
18 51% Estonian (derived) + 49% Tadjik (derived) @ 12.9
19 54.9% Estonian (derived) + 45.1% Avar (derived) @ 12.95
20 51.3% North-East-European (ancestral) + 48.7% Makrani (derived) @ 12.97

This sample can be put up as an North East Euro + some Kavkaz, none the less the increased CHG will obviously make it a bit closer to East Iranian speaking Tajiks than the average Proto-Indo-Iranian would do, however it is still dominantly North East Euro.

[Petalpusher]

Yes, something is not right to expect.

Some calculators tried to estimated it like K14/K20 ("Steppe" and "Yamnaya" components). As the input originaly comes from EMBA to MLBA, also some west and east cultures, it's difficult to pin it down precisely. ANE x2 could probably work too but considering ANE was already there in the mesolithic before Yamnaya it's always gonna be difficult to differentiate it. Gokhem MN and Danemark LN for example already had some EHG/ANE because their farmers mixed with SHG (who had a little ANE).

For sure nobody is 80-90% steppe like adding all this could suggest, it's at best 40-50%.


Best proof this calculation doesn't work, Sardinians score:

36,20% CHG_EEF
11% SHG_WHG


They have little to no IE at all, they are nowhere close to 50%. Haak et al. estimated it at 5% or something and it's probably not even directly the Steppe but some CHG alone.

[Danishmend]

Yamnaya was 50% EHG, which means it cannot be modelled as a mixture of modern populations who barely score above 10%. Is it really THAT difficult to understand?

This thread is hilarious. You cannot estimate the Yamnaya/Indo-European input by combining all these components.

[Wrong]

Agre with poster above.

Idiotic thread. Delete?