Copt's Near East Neolithic K13 Results

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Turkic K11

28.07% SE_European
61.48% W_Asian
0.00% SE_Asian
10.03% SSA
0.00% NE_European
0.00% Indian
0.42% NW_European
0.00% Turkic
0.00% Mongol
0.00% Papuan
0.00% NE_Asian

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Egyptian @ 6.010771
2 Libyan @ 8.140937
3 Druze @ 12.989977
4 Arabs_Israel @ 15.006335
5 BedouinA @ 15.141324
6 Cypriot @ 16.790792
7 Jordanians @ 17.145664
8 Turkish_Adana @ 18.535581
9 Jew_Libyan @ 18.689052
10 Turkish_Kayseri @ 25.926109
11 Jew_iraqi @ 26.105292
12 Assyrians @ 28.562986
13 Jew_Ashkenazi @ 30.339206
14 Kurd_N @ 34.346566
15 Iranian @ 36.07309
16 Kurd_C @ 36.163424
17 North-Ossetians @ 36.521448
18 Azerbaijanis @ 36.87056
19 Kurd_F @ 36.932725
20 Tunisian @ 36.98327
145 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Druze+Libyan @ 3.951191
2 BedouinA+Jew_Libyan @ 5.005806
3 Cypriot+Egyptian @ 5.540379
4 Arabs_Israel+Libyan @ 5.590799
5 Jew_iraqi+Tunisian @ 5.897774
6 Egyptian+Egyptian @ 6.010771
7 Egyptian+Libyan @ 6.33862
8 Armenian+Tunisian @ 6.44615
9 Saudi+Tunisian @ 6.44615
10 Tunisian+Yemeni @ 6.44615
11 BedouinA+Cypriot @ 6.483052
12 Armenian+Moroccan @ 6.606652
13 Moroccan+Saudi @ 6.606652
14 Moroccan+Yemeni @ 6.606652
15 Jew_Libyan+Jordanians @ 6.750978
16 Druze+Egyptian @ 6.943283
17 Cypriot+Libyan @ 7.043261
18 Egyptian+Jew_Libyan @ 7.225125
19 Jordanians+Libyan @ 7.672303
20 Libyan+Turkish_Adana @ 7.686014
10585 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Egyptian +25% Cypriot +25% Egyptian @ 1.152837
2 50% Libyan +25% BedouinA +25% Cypriot @ 1.456818
3 50% Libyan +25% Cypriot +25% Jordanians @ 1.502763
4 50% Arabs_Israel +25% BedouinA +25% Moroccan @ 1.648747
5 50% Libyan +25% Arabs_Israel +25% Cypriot @ 1.671442
6 50% Tunisian +25% Armenian +25% Jew_iraqi @ 1.681212
7 50% Tunisian +25% Jew_iraqi +25% Saudi @ 1.681212
8 50% Tunisian +25% Jew_iraqi +25% Yemeni @ 1.681212
9 50% BedouinA +25% Druze +25% Tunisian @ 1.820443
10 50% Arabs_Israel +25% Jordanians +25% Moroccan @ 1.893214
11 50% Arabs_Israel +25% Egyptian +25% Tunisian @ 2.072206
12 50% Egyptian +25% Cypriot +25% Libyan @ 2.076811
13 50% Armenian +25% Algerian +25% Tunisian @ 2.195504
14 50% Saudi +25% Algerian +25% Tunisian @ 2.195504
15 50% Yemeni +25% Algerian +25% Tunisian @ 2.195504
16 50% Arabs_Israel +25% Arabs_Israel +25% Moroccan @ 2.201039
17 50% Arabs_Israel +25% BedouinA +25% Tunisian @ 2.229446
18 50% Jordanians +25% Druze +25% Moroccan @ 2.303762
19 50% BedouinA +25% Arabs_Israel +25% Tunisian @ 2.451872
20 50% Jordanians +25% Egyptian +25% Tunisian @ 2.457755
285300 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Armenian+Cypriot+Libyan+Tunisian @ 0.960457
2 Cypriot+Libyan+Saudi+Tunisian @ 0.960457
3 Cypriot+Libyan+Tunisian+Yemeni @ 0.960457
4 Armenian+Cypriot+Egyptian+Moroccan @ 1.065878
5 Cypriot+Egyptian+Moroccan+Saudi @ 1.065878
6 Cypriot+Egyptian+Moroccan+Yemeni @ 1.065878
7 Algerian+Arabs_Israel+Armenian+Egyptian @ 1.072002
8 Algerian+Arabs_Israel+Egyptian+Saudi @ 1.072002
9 Algerian+Arabs_Israel+Egyptian+Yemeni @ 1.072002
10 Cypriot+Egyptian+Egyptian+Egyptian @ 1.152837
11 Algerian+Armenian+Egyptian+Jordanians @ 1.17605
12 Algerian+Egyptian+Jordanians+Saudi @ 1.17605
13 Algerian+Egyptian+Jordanians+Yemeni @ 1.17605
14 Algerian+Armenian+Jew_iraqi+Libyan @ 1.295648
15 Algerian+Jew_iraqi+Libyan+Saudi @ 1.295648
16 Algerian+Jew_iraqi+Libyan+Yemeni @ 1.295648
17 BedouinA+Cypriot+Libyan+Libyan @ 1.456818
18 Cypriot+Jordanians+Libyan+Libyan @ 1.502763
19 Arabs_Israel+Jew_iraqi+Libyan+Tunisian @ 1.527384
20 Arabs_Israel+Arabs_Israel+BedouinA+Moroccan @ 1.648747
21 Arabs_Israel+Cypriot+Libyan+Libyan @ 1.671442
22 Armenian+Jew_iraqi+Tunisian+Tunisian @ 1.681212
23 Jew_iraqi+Saudi+Tunisian+Tunisian @ 1.681212
24 Jew_iraqi+Tunisian+Tunisian+Yemeni @ 1.681212
25 Arabs_Israel+BedouinA+Druze+Moroccan @ 1.717691
26 Arabs_Israel+Egyptian+Jordanians+Tunisian @ 1.785668
27 Armenian+Cypriot+Libyan+Moroccan @ 1.818885
28 Cypriot+Libyan+Moroccan+Saudi @ 1.818885
29 Cypriot+Libyan+Moroccan+Yemeni @ 1.818885
30 BedouinA+BedouinA+Druze+Tunisian @ 1.820443
31 BedouinA+Cypriot+Egyptian+Libyan @ 1.841751
32 Arabs_Israel+Arabs_Israel+Jordanians+Moroccan @ 1.893214
33 Algerian+Armenian+BedouinA+Egyptian @ 1.946667
34 Algerian+BedouinA+Egyptian+Saudi @ 1.946667
35 Algerian+BedouinA+Egyptian+Yemeni @ 1.946667
36 Druze+Egyptian+Jew_iraqi+Tunisian @ 1.96796
37 Armenian+Egyptian+Jew_Libyan+Tunisian @ 1.984802
38 Egyptian+Jew_Libyan+Saudi+Tunisian @ 1.984802
39 Egyptian+Jew_Libyan+Tunisian+Yemeni @ 1.984802
40 Armenian+Cypriot+Egyptian+Tunisian @ 2.002485
147911 iterations.


Gaussian method.
Noise dispersion set to 0.459692

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Egyptian @ 2.976417
2 Libyan @ 3.075051
3 BedouinA @ 4.631492
4 Jordanians @ 5.818998
5 Jew_Libyan @ 5.910621
6 Arabs_Israel @ 6.650005
7 Tunisian @ 8.003449
8 Moroccan @ 9.131557
9 Druze @ 9.638793
10 Jew_Ashkenazi @ 10.674914
11 Sicilian @ 11.371064
12 Greek @ 15.939192
13 Italian_South @ 17.861161
14 Cypriot @ 18.711695
15 Turkish_Adana @ 18.938891
16 Jew_iraqi @ 19.401164
17 Turkish_Kayseri @ 19.753719
18 Algerian @ 19.787566
19 Assyrians @ 19.972504
20 Turkish_Balikesir @ 21.016064
145 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Armenian+Moroccan @ 2.30154
2 Moroccan+Saudi @ 2.30154
3 Moroccan+Yemeni @ 2.30154
4 Armenian+Tunisian @ 2.491237
5 Saudi+Tunisian @ 2.491237
6 Tunisian+Yemeni @ 2.491237
7 Algerian+Armenian @ 2.830077
8 Algerian+Saudi @ 2.830077
9 Algerian+Yemeni @ 2.830077
10 Egyptian+Egyptian @ 2.976417
11 Egyptian+Libyan @ 2.99207
12 Libyan+Libyan @ 3.075051
13 BedouinA+Libyan @ 3.313847
14 Arabs_Israel+Libyan @ 3.375621
15 Cypriot+Libyan @ 3.420451
16 Cypriot+Egyptian @ 3.568963
17 Jew_iraqi+Tunisian @ 3.592255
18 Druze+Libyan @ 3.615229
19 BedouinA+Egyptian @ 3.643896
20 Jew_iraqi+Moroccan @ 3.689309
10585 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Armenian +25% Algerian +25% Moroccan @ 1.998923
2 50% Saudi +25% Algerian +25% Moroccan @ 1.998923
3 50% Yemeni +25% Algerian +25% Moroccan @ 1.998923
4 50% Armenian +25% Algerian +25% Tunisian @ 2.029228
5 50% Saudi +25% Algerian +25% Tunisian @ 2.029228
6 50% Yemeni +25% Algerian +25% Tunisian @ 2.029228
7 50% Armenian +25% Albanians +25% Somali @ 2.084958
8 50% Armenian +25% Kosovo +25% Somali @ 2.084958
9 50% Armenian +25% Somali +25% Stuttgart @ 2.084958
10 50% Saudi +25% Albanians +25% Somali @ 2.084958
11 50% Saudi +25% Kosovo +25% Somali @ 2.084958
12 50% Saudi +25% Somali +25% Stuttgart @ 2.084958
13 50% Yemeni +25% Albanians +25% Somali @ 2.084958
14 50% Yemeni +25% Kosovo +25% Somali @ 2.084958
15 50% Yemeni +25% Somali +25% Stuttgart @ 2.084958
16 50% Armenian +25% Algerian +25% Libyan @ 2.288282
17 50% Saudi +25% Algerian +25% Libyan @ 2.288282
18 50% Yemeni +25% Algerian +25% Libyan @ 2.288282
19 50% Armenian +25% Moroccan +25% Moroccan @ 2.30154
20 50% Moroccan +25% Armenian +25% Saudi @ 2.30154
374272 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Algerian+Armenian+Armenian+Moroccan @ 1.998923
2 Algerian+Armenian+Moroccan+Saudi @ 1.998923
3 Algerian+Armenian+Moroccan+Yemeni @ 1.998923
4 Algerian+Moroccan+Saudi+Saudi @ 1.998923
5 Algerian+Moroccan+Saudi+Yemeni @ 1.998923
6 Algerian+Moroccan+Yemeni+Yemeni @ 1.998923
7 Algerian+Armenian+Armenian+Tunisian @ 2.029228
8 Algerian+Armenian+Saudi+Tunisian @ 2.029228
9 Algerian+Armenian+Tunisian+Yemeni @ 2.029228
10 Algerian+Saudi+Saudi+Tunisian @ 2.029228
11 Algerian+Saudi+Tunisian+Yemeni @ 2.029228
12 Algerian+Tunisian+Yemeni+Yemeni @ 2.029228
13 Albanians+Armenian+Armenian+Somali @ 2.084958
14 Albanians+Armenian+Saudi+Somali @ 2.084958
15 Albanians+Armenian+Somali+Yemeni @ 2.084958
16 Albanians+Saudi+Saudi+Somali @ 2.084958
17 Albanians+Saudi+Somali+Yemeni @ 2.084958
18 Albanians+Somali+Yemeni+Yemeni @ 2.084958
19 Armenian+Armenian+Kosovo+Somali @ 2.084958
20 Armenian+Armenian+Somali+Stuttgart @ 2.084958
21 Armenian+Kosovo+Saudi+Somali @ 2.084958
22 Armenian+Kosovo+Somali+Yemeni @ 2.084958
23 Armenian+Saudi+Somali+Stuttgart @ 2.084958
24 Armenian+Somali+Stuttgart+Yemeni @ 2.084958
25 Kosovo+Saudi+Saudi+Somali @ 2.084958
26 Kosovo+Saudi+Somali+Yemeni @ 2.084958
27 Kosovo+Somali+Yemeni+Yemeni @ 2.084958
28 Saudi+Saudi+Somali+Stuttgart @ 2.084958
29 Saudi+Somali+Stuttgart+Yemeni @ 2.084958
30 Somali+Stuttgart+Yemeni+Yemeni @ 2.084958
31 Algerian+Armenian+Armenian+Libyan @ 2.288282
32 Algerian+Armenian+Libyan+Saudi @ 2.288282
33 Algerian+Armenian+Libyan+Yemeni @ 2.288282
34 Algerian+Libyan+Saudi+Saudi @ 2.288282
35 Algerian+Libyan+Saudi+Yemeni @ 2.288282
36 Algerian+Libyan+Yemeni+Yemeni @ 2.288282
37 Armenian+Armenian+Moroccan+Moroccan @ 2.30154
38 Armenian+Moroccan+Moroccan+Saudi @ 2.30154
39 Armenian+Moroccan+Moroccan+Yemeni @ 2.30154
40 Moroccan+Moroccan+Saudi+Saudi @ 2.30154
317103 iterations.

[oblivion]

Slight genetic differences can be attributed to differences between regions. A Muslim Egyptian living in Cairo is going to have less SSA than a Muslim Egyptian living in Aswan.
Furthermore, slight genetic differences do not mean they're a separate ethnic group.

To me a separate ethnic group exists when they cluster closely together.. copts tend to cluster amongst, northern bedouins, southern levantines and egyptians.. but i still see copts as a separate group..

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To me a separate ethnic group exists when they cluster closely together.. copts tend to cluster amongst, northern bedouins, southern levantines and egyptians.. but i still see copts as a separate group..

So religion=ethnicity? Are they not Egyptians or something?

[Maguzanci]

I posted the ane k6... where is west eurasia k8 and steppe k10?

Sorry I just saw your quote.

Here is the Steppe K10 can be find from here: http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...nes-steppe-k10

West Eurasia K8, you will have to contact Davidski or Generalissmo in Anthrogenica or ask for it. This is what the spreadsheet look like if you are interest: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...t#gid=74932529
It has Egyptian samples, but unfortunately only Muslim Egyptians samples.

m not sure if you still have to donate $20 to him. It is your choice though if you don't want to donate.

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So religion=ethnicity? Are they not Egyptians or something?

Copts are an ethno religious group .. they only marry within themselves and are definitely egyptians but represent pre islamic egypt..

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Sorry the Steppe K10 can be find from here: http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...nes-steppe-k10

West Eurasia K8, you will have to contact Davidski or Generalissmo in Anthrogenica or ask for it. Im not sure if you still have to donate $20 to him but if you don't want to, you don't need to. It's your choice.

I put stepp k10 here.. but the west eurasian one is no longer available.

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How come North Sea is so western in that PCA? In most maps Iberians appear as the most "western" after Basques and Sardinians, but since North Sea is so western in that map and Baltic is also half-western and half-eastern instead on mostly eastern, even Norwegians and Danes that have a lot of Eastern European genetics appear as more western than Iberians. I suppose the distance between components on the map is calculated using fst, but how do they decide where the components start on the map?

They are all like that, just not rotated/oriented the same, but arguably, if we had to take a reference for north/south and make it our vertical axe with WHG, it would be E.Africa as it's like the opposite. If you notice N.Africans are pretty much half way between E_Africa and Basques, because they score 15-25% SSA but with different levels of WHG, both negating each others. That should be the vertical axe if anything.
North Sea probably emcompasses the most WHG with not much ANE, these components are still based on ancients, their proportions are arbitrary to represent a virtual regioning of West Eurasian but they are still made of WHG/ANE/ENF in the end and some other things eventually. Just like i could create an "Azores" component and place it at let's say "30 WHG + 10% ANE + 60 ENF", it would still work, people would score it.

I remember Eurogenes posted once exactly the proportion, it's also based on ancient dna Loschbour/AG2-3 and LBK or similar, like all admixture tests. K15 is still very decent, though it is using less ancient dna than some more recent calculators since it's like 2-3 years old maybe now.


Scandinavians have a good amount of what is called here Baltic, but their first component is by far North Sea as they are highly WHG/SHG, and still more Atlantid than Baltic, they don't really score a lot of eastern stuff. Ukrainians are like two times more Baltic, but all these labels don't matter much, it's just a way to place a proportions of WHG/ANE, etc.. At K7/K6 Scandinavians don't have much ANE, around or under 20%. "Eastern" is probably the most ANE, it's halfway WHG and Amerindian, it has to be since it's where it peaks in modern people.

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Copts are an ethno religious group .. they only marry within themselves and are definitely egyptians but represent pre islamic egypt..

What do they have that makes them an ethnic group exactly? They're culturally the same as other Egyptians. The only real difference is religion.

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What do they have that makes them an ethnic group exactly? They're culturally the same as other Egyptians. The only real difference is religion.

They are more similar to Levantines than other Egyptians, less SSA.

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They are more similar to Levantines than other Egyptians, less SSA.

Minor differences in genetics does not make an ethnic group.