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    Quote Originally Posted by Sakis View Post
    But they are genetically the closest to modern Greeks,very far from northern Europeans.
    How are they far from Northern Europeans when they share the most DNA, lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norse View Post
    How are they far from Northern Europeans when they share the most DNA, lol.
    They plot very far from northern Europeans,deal with it.

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    Norse, you quoted this:

    (...) The greatest percentage of shared Minoan haplotypes was observed with European populations, particularly with individuals from Northern and Western Europe (...)
    But this fragment is about mtDNA lineages, not about autosomal DNA or Y-DNA. And it seems to be a low resolution analysis - they talk about "major" mtDNA haplogroups H, T, K, I - not about subclades.

    This approach is way too general, even for an analysis of mtDNA haplogroups.

    And you should look at autosomal DNA if your goal is to check "racial" affinities.

    I can't find anything about autosomal DNA there. Also Y-DNA would be more useful than mtDNA.

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    We should wait until some study with Minoan autosomal DNA and Y-DNA is published.

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    Most of studies which have only mtDNA (and no Y-DNA, and no autosomal DNA) are almost useless. But sequencing autosomal DNA and Y-DNA requires much more time and effort, and costs more money, so some scientists focus just on mtDNA. They should re-publish it with full genome sequences.

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    Litvin mentioned it, but it would be like saying that Romanians share more Paternal Y-DNA with Brits and much less so with Greeks when it's clear that Romanians are much more closer to Brits, but since Romanians have a lot of R Y-DNA and Brits also do, they are genetically more close to Brits?
    Nope....
    Hitler was E1, according to your theory he was basically Albanian. Maternal and paternal haplogroups indicate something, but autosomal is what's most important, in that article you can see that on a PCA plot, minioans are furtherst from n. Europeans and closest to s. Europeans.

    Projection on top two principal components of 71 extant population groups in comparison to the Minoans. The top 15 nearest neighbours to the Minoans are shown in the figure and legend with individual symbols. The remaining populations are marked using broad geographic labels; for example, all North African populations are marked with the same red square symbol. Notice the genetic distance between the Minoans and the North African populations and the similarity between the Minoans and the population of Lassithi plateau.

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    Explain more detail Litvin, mtDNA is carried by women. If mtDNA is North Western but they plot closer to Greece, doesn't that suggest "contamination" of a later Balkan conquest.

    You can't just ignore mtDNA from Northern Europe, that is simply being deliberately obtuse at best. That mtDNA got there somehow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RN97 View Post
    Litvin mentioned it, but it would be like saying that Romanians share more Paternal Y-DNA with Brits and much less so with Greeks when it's clear that Romanians are much more closer to Brits, but since Romanians have a lot of R Y-DNA and Brits also do, they are genetically more close to Brits?
    Nope....
    Hitler was E1, according to your theory he was basically Albanian. Maternal and paternal haplogroups indicate something, but autosomal is what's most important, in that article you can see that on a PCA plot, minioans are furtherst from n. Europeans and closest to s. Europeans.
    Look straigh to the left, the purple diamond, that is Neolithic Scandinavian.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norse View Post
    Explain more detail Litvin, mtDNA is carried by women. If mtDNA is North Western but they plot closer to Greece, doesn't that suggest "contamination" of a later Balkan conquest.

    You can't just ignore mtDNA from Northern Europe, that is simply being deliberately obtuse at best. That mtDNA got there somehow.
    The reason it's faulty, is because they didn't examine sub-clades. They just grouped all H-MtDNA clades together from what I gathered.
    Look at these maps of haplogroup H, and look how different sub-clades determine how different the spread is.
    http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_H_mtDNA.shtml

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    Quote Originally Posted by RN97 View Post
    The reason it's faulty, is because they didn't examine sub-clades. They just grouped all H-MtDNA clades together from what I gathered.
    Look at these maps of haplogroup H, and look how different sub-clades determine how different the spread is.
    http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_H_mtDNA.shtml
    I doubt it is "faulty" when it is peer reviewed in Nature, if you make that claim show me someone refuting it in a scientific paper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norse View Post
    Look straigh to the left, the purple diamond, that is Neolithic Scandinavian.
    Neolithic Scandinavians were southern Europeans, or s. Euro like I think. Nordics came from the steppes and central Europe, but I guess talk to someone who knows their shit, I'm not a big expert.

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