Prehistoric Romanian (~40,000 years old) in GEDmatch

[Grab the Gauge]

I only said, that they look like. Negrito from the photo
does not have such flat face and nose and is more round.

Except Oase doesn't look anything like a Bantu or a Papuan. One of the most distinctive traits of Negritos/Papuans/Bantu is their vertical, convex foreheads. Oase 2 is the exact opposite.

Oase 2


Bantu


Papuan


Oase 2 is more like an Amerindian:






The skull is also similar to a Shanidar Neanderthal in this regard:

Oase 2 also presents apparently independent features that are, at best, unusual for a modern human, whether the reference sample is of preceding MPMH or EUP and MUP modern humans.

Despite the high and rounded sagittal parietal arc, the sagittal frontal arc is long and exceptionally flat. The Oase 2 frontal bone arc versus chord residual is below those of all of the early modern human crania; it falls in the middle of the Neandertal range of variation despite the absence of a supraorbital torus (Fig. 5). In combination with its highly curved parietal arc, it is exceptional for an early modern human and is closest to the Shanidar 1 Neandertal. No deformational process can explain this pattern because no postdepositional distortion was observed on any part of the cranium, all of the cranial vault fragments fit perfectly, and no trace of artificial deformation was noticed. Among the early modern humans, Oase 2 is most closely approached by Cioclovina 1 (frontal arc/chord residual: −5.6) and secondarily by Nazlet Khater 2 (−4.3) and Skhul 5 (−4.3, although it has a supraorbital torus)

http://www.pnas.org/content/104/4/1165.full


So sorry to burst your bubble but Oase 2 was the opposite of a Negrito (Polack) and was more similar to an IndoEuropean (Amerindian/Borreby) in this regard. Oase 2's physical type was among the original Indo-Europeans who destroyed your Polack ancestors in a cannibalistic rape attack of genocide.

[Rethel]

type was among the original Indo-Europeans who destroyed your Polack ancestors in a cannibalistic rape attack of genocide.

Fine, but:

1) At that time here was no Polacks at all.
2) I have no polish ancestors (at least I do not know about them).
3) So, how they could destroy them, the more: ate them?

[Harkonnen]

"The specimens suggest that there have been clear changes in human anatomy since then," said Trinkaus. "The bones are also fully compatible with the blending of modern human and Neandertal populations. Not only is the face very large, but so are the jaws and the teeth, particularly the wisdom teeth. In the human fossil record, you have to go back a half-million years to find a specimen that has bigger wisdom teeth."

http://donsmaps.com/romaniancaveskull.html

[Harkonnen]

35,000 years BP: Oase 1 (mandible) and Oase 2 (cranium) were both discovered in the Peştera cu Oase, Romania. The mandible was found first, in 2002, by speleologists Milota, Bîlgăr and Sarcină. The cranium, which is from a different individual, was found by a team led by Trinkaus and Zilhão between 2003-2005. BH-048, which has a sagittal cut revealing details of the endocranium, is an exact cast of a 3D scan printed output provided to Bone Clones by Racoviță Institute of Speleology. From there Bone Clones cleaned up the scan lines and reconstructed the missing details and elements in consultation with Erik Trinkaus and Hélène Rougier and producedBH-049. These are the earliest and among the most complete anatomically modern human remains found to date from this period in Europe. The Bone Clones® Hominid line is composed of discoveries from anatomically modern humans, archaic humans, early Homo, early hominins, and other hominids. The majority of the casts in this line have been recreated by our team of anatomical sculptors. Some are reconstructions made by anthropology professionals using fragmentary elements from original discoveries and extrapolating the missing parts from those (i.e. Neanderthal skeleton).

[Harkonnen]

The biting surface of a third molar tooth from a Homo sapiens specimen found in a Romanian cave exhibits a curious welter of protrusions, which raises questions about its evolutionary heritage.

Photo: Romanian Academy in http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20040522/bob8.asp

Yet the Romanian fossil also flaunts some strikingly primitive traits. Its molar teeth are considerably larger than those of European H. sapiens that lived 30000 to 20000 years ago. In fact, Trinkaus says, the chewing surfaces of the Oase skull's molars are wider than those of the generally bulkier Neandertals.

Moreover, at the back of the Oase individual's mouth, a welter of bumps tops its third molars. No fewer than 11 protrusions of various sizes jut up from each chewing surface. Corresponding H. sapiens molars are far smoother.

A third-molar tooth from another human ancestor, which was recently unearthed in the central Asian nation of Uzbekistan, also displays nearly a dozen bumps. Preliminary work suggests that this tooth belonged to a Neandertal that lived at least 40000 years ago. Michelle Glantz of Colorado State University in Ft. Collins described that find at the Paleoanthropology Society meeting.

Bump-covered third molars appear in some current species of mammals and may evolve as a by-product of genetic mechanisms that promote larger teeth, Trinkaus speculates.

Aside from the Oase specimen's teeth, the heft of its jaw and the shape of parts of its braincase also hark back to H. sapiens that lived 100000 years ago or more, he says.

The mix of old and new features on the Romanian fossils adds to suspicion that, on the evolutionary path toward today's people, interbreeding occurred among H. sapiens, Neandertals, and other ancient Homo species to varying extents in different regions, according to Trinkaus and a colleague in the Oase project, Joao Zilhao of Cidade University in Lisbon, Portugal.

That theory previously received a boost with the discovery in Portugal of a 24500-year-old skeleton that Trinkaus and Zilhao view as a prime example of interbreeding between modern H. sapiens and Neandertals. The child's bones display a potpourri of traits from both species, in the researchers' view.

The Oase fossils contain a different mosaic of characteristics, with more pieces from archaic H. sapiens than from Neandertals. If human evolution hinged on groups of various Stone Age species moving from place to place and interbreeding to some extent along the way, then unpredictable mixes of anatomical features would have been generated in any locality that attracted prehistoric crowds, Trinkaus contends.

He thus takes a skeptical view of traditional efforts to reconstruct neatly branching evolutionary trees of human ancestors by determining whether fossils contain predominantly primitive or advanced traits. Analyses of modern and ancient DNA are also incapable of unraveling the extent to which Neandertals and other Homo species interbred with H. sapiens, in Trinkaus' opinion.

That leaves a big evolutionary question mark punctuating the Romanian discoveries. "We don't fully understand what's going on with the combination of features on these bones," the St. Louis researcher says.

[Lucas]

Again Kostenki. Boring.

PDF http://www.booksite.ru/etnogr/1955/1955_1.pdf (since 43 page)

This is Kostenki skull in three views, not only frontal.


It's clearly visible thaht such alveolar proghantism (alveolar angle 70) isn't Neanderthal or Western Euro Cromagnon trait. Maybe Gtg think in another way. I don't care. Coon said [1962] that Neanderthals were proghnatic in middle facial region, not in jaw region.



Also it's fully concordant with Gerasimov reconstruction. Look at jaw and nose.

Debec (renowned Soviet anthropologist cited also in Coon'w works) who discovered Kostenki skull wrote that it was similar to Veddoid or Australoid, not African Negroid, nor Mongoloid.

Some measurements. So Kostenki XIV wasn't robust as some people say... Compare this tiny skull to CMs or Neanderthals. Now you understand why it was classified as non-Europen?

[Rethel]

Now I finally get, why in the 10,000 BC film is such guy:

[Lucas]

[Harkonnen]

Get lost Polak monkey brains. The wise man cares not about Polakstan bullshit

[Grab the Gauge]

It's clearly visible thaht such alveolar proghantism (alveolar angle 70) isn't Neanderthal or Western Euro Cromagnon trait. Maybe Gtg think in another way. I don't care. Coon said [1962] that Neanderthals were proghnatic in middle facial region, not in jaw region.

You are wrong, as usual. Coon did not say that, and European Neanderthals exhibited monstrous alveolar prognaghism.

This photo demonstrates the outline of the La Chapelle aux Saints Neanderthal next to ths very orthognathic Skhul IV. As you can see, La Chapelle looks like a crocodile compared to Skhul IV.




From the Stone Age of Mount Carmel by Dorothy Garrod ^





Several other Upper Paleolithic skulls exhibit this animalistic prognathism. Predmost 3 compared to a modern Czech skull (white outline):

]Also it's fully concordant with Gerasimov reconstruction. Look at jaw and nose.

Debec (renowned Soviet anthropologist cited also in Coon'w works) who discovered Kostenki skull wrote that it was similar to Veddoid or Australoid, not African Negroid, nor Mongoloid.

Mikhail Gerassimov is a fraud and all of his reconstructions are worthless, but that still doesn't look like a Papuan or Australoid.

Some measurements. So Kostenki XIV wasn't robust as some people say... Compare this tiny skull to CMs or Neanderthals. Now you understand why it was classified as non-Europen?

He was born with congenital microcephaly. The other remains at Kostenki aren't as small.

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