Post your 'MDLP K16 Modern' gedmatch calculator results!

[XenophobicPrussian]

This is correct, and already Haak 2015 noticed this fact (very high Yamnaya ancestry in Norwegians).

Icelanders are descended from Scandinavians and Insular Celts, both of whom have very high Steppe.

Recent publications show that the "Celtic Fringe" has more of Steppe ancestry than Southern England. The reason why is this the case, is that Southern England has extra Mediterranean admixture from Roman times.

NW Euros being more steppe than NE Euros. I can get on board with that.

Listen, NW Euros cannot have more steppe than NE Euros if NE Euros have more ANE on everything else. MDLP K16 also has NE Euros with unusually high Caucasian, which too is wrong, but also contradicts NW Euros being more steppe. Fyi, your southern England and France have more steppe than every single Balto-Slavic ethnicity on this calc.

NW Euros are not more steppe admixed or closer to Indo-Europeans than NE Euros are, you and me both know this. I used to claim this and you even rightfully debunked me with pointing out the flaws of using K15 on ancient samples.

Look Litvin, I like you, but Jesus..

[Peterski]

NW Euros being more steppe than NE Euros.

Maybe. But NE Euros are largely descended from WHG survivors such as Kunda-Narva. On the other hand, there were no any WHG survivors in NW Europe. Steppe people just rammed into Neolithic populations in those regions (see GEDmatch results of Neolithic Swedes - they were ENF as fuck, more than Sicilians).

[XenophobicPrussian]

Yes, because NE Euros are largely descended from WHG survivors such as Kunda-Narva cultures.

Yet NW Euros have more WHG(save for Balts) once you break up neolithic farmers into WHG/Basal Eurasian or Bedouin. Even if you don't break up neolithic farmer, Scandos but not British Isles people still have more than NE Slavs on every calculator, Eurasia K6, any Davidski calculator, puntdnal ancient, Eurasia CHG, etc.

I guess we have more WHG than you guys AND steppe now too. Again, this is music to my ears, keep it coming.

When are you going to tell your new discovery that NW Europeans are closer to steppe Indo-Europeans to Davidski(after just 1 month ago or so you were trying to argue Bell Beakers were closer to Slavs -_-)?

Litvin, you're all over the place. A few months ago the roles were reversed(me arguing NW Euros were closest to Indo-Europeans before I was proven wrong, now you're doing it).

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9o...VFYWp0WlE/view

[Peterski]

In fact I just said that Scandinavians have more Steppe, not all of NW Euros.

I don't even count Scandinavians as NW Euros proper. I counted them as N Euros.

English people are NW Europeans, and they are much less Steppe than Scandos.

[XenophobicPrussian]

In fact I just said that Scandinavians have more Steppe, not all of NW Euros.

I don't even count Scandinavians as NW Euros proper. I counted them as N Euros.

English people are NW Europeans, and they are much less Steppe than Scandos.

Okay, I see now you only quoted "Steppe peaking in Orcadians, Icelandic, Norwegians", but you also thumbed down my post, which implies that everything or mostly everything I said was wrong.

Again, Spaniards had as much steppe as NE Euros according to this calc. It's a useless calc, which was my main point. I still disagree that Scandos have more steppe than NE Euros.

[XenophobicPrussian]

I suppose NE Euros could have more ANE that came independently from IEs/Corded Ware, like from the Latva_MN2 EHG, but the Haak graph on Yamnaya admixture is dodgy.



Czechs more steppe than Belarusians, Orcadian lower than English/Scottish, etc.

[Petalpusher]

It's wrong to add Steppe + Caucasian here. Steppe is just Steppe, there might be a part of "Caucasian" that comes from the steppe and other more minor things, but clearly not most of it. Easy to see with just a few results, Iranians or Levantines for examples are not like 2 times more steppe than Europeans because they score high "Caucasian", it's mostly basal.

For example two Yamnaya:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Steppe 61.85
2 NorthEastEuropean 17.86
3 Indian 8.83
4 Caucasian 8.62
5 Amerindian 1.57
6 Neolithic 0.97
7 Subsaharian 0.3

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Steppe 65
2 NorthEastEuropean 15.73
3 Indian 8.65
4 Caucasian 8.07
5 NearEast 0.88
6 Amerindian 0.84
7 Neolithic 0.62
8 Subsaharian 0.21


Very low Caucasian. And yes that's where the Indian comes from too in Europe. As for any calculator, certain labels can be deceptive.

I just ran it again and got different results.

It could be that i was drunk the first time and ran the wrong test or fudged the kit number. But im also drunk now and for sure these are the results i just got:

You ran the calculator in "Oracle4" mode, and the first time in "Oracle" mode. Anecdotic differences in most cases, it just dodges the components under 1% when running the algo.

[Ylla]

Does anyone have results of Rise 595 Montenegro?

[Voskos]

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 34.87
2 Neolithic 22.24
3 NorthEastEuropean 17.9
4 Steppe 16.2
5 Siberian 2.85
6 Indian 1.78
7 NorthAfrican 1.05
8 Arctic 0.78
9 SouthEastAsian 0.75
10 Australian 0.54
11 NearEast 0.52
12 Oceanic 0.38
13 EastAfrican 0.12

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 5.2
2 Bulgarian 5.44
3 Gagauz 5.82
4 Romanian 5.97
5 Macedonian 6.29
6 Romanian 7.06
7 Kosovar 7.53
8 Romanian 7.57
9 Greek 7.58
10 Albanian 7.67
11 Montenegrian 7.92
12 Greek 8.04
13 Serbian 8.36
14 Moldavian 8.39
15 Greek 8.39
16 Greek 8.4
17 Italian 9.66
18 Serbian 10.13
19 Bosnian 10.19
20 Croat 10.26

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 66.5% German + 33.5% Turk @ 2.12
2 75.1% Serbian + 24.9% Ossetian @ 2.15
3 81.7% Bulgarian + 18.3% Nogai @ 2.22
4 76.7% Serbian + 23.3% Balkar @ 2.23
5 71.3% Serbian + 28.7% Circassian @ 2.28
6 75.3% Serbian + 24.7% Kumyk @ 2.29
7 77.3% Serbian + 22.7% Adygei @ 2.31
8 81.2% Bulgarian + 18.8% Circassian @ 2.35
9 78.6% Serbian + 21.4% Abkhazian @ 2.35
10 81.2% Bulgarian + 18.8% Kabardin @ 2.38
11 76.9% Serbian + 23.1% Abkhazian_Lykhny @ 2.39
12 77.3% Romanian + 22.7% Ossetian @ 2.42
13 79.3% Romanian + 20.7% Adygei @ 2.45
14 80.9% Romanian + 19.1% Georgian @ 2.45
15 77.4% Romanian + 22.6% Kumyk @ 2.49
16 78.8% Romanian + 21.2% Abkhazian_Lykhny @ 2.49
17 82.5% Bulgarian + 17.5% Avar @ 2.52
18 78.7% Romanian + 21.3% Balkar @ 2.52
19 82.1% Bulgarian + 17.9% Ava @ 2.54
20 85.4% Bulgarian + 14.6% Balkar @ 2.54



MDLP K16 2xOracle and OracleX4

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 34.87
2 Neolithic 22.24
3 NorthEastEuropean 17.90
4 Steppe 16.20
5 Siberian 2.85
6 Indian 1.78
7 NorthAfrican 1.05


Finished reading population data. 516 populations found.
16 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Bulgarian @ 5.598631
2 Bulgarian @ 5.906063
3 Gagauz @ 6.296360
4 Romanian @ 6.726826
5 Macedonian @ 6.907110
6 Romanian @ 7.930041
7 Kosovar @ 8.067220
8 Greek @ 8.142105
9 Albanian @ 8.266978
10 Romanian @ 8.535460
11 Greek @ 8.592278
12 Montenegrian @ 8.787090
13 Greek @ 8.997270
14 Greek @ 9.114316
15 Serbian @ 9.266195
16 Moldavian @ 9.500986
17 Italian @ 10.726185
18 Serbian @ 11.168392
19 Bosnian @ 11.318446
20 Croat @ 11.430519

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% German_Lipsian +50% Turk @ 2.952729


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian +25% German +25% Ossetian @ 2.031120


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 German + Greek + Russian + Turk @ 1.483461
2 Albanian + German + Russian + Turk @ 1.551163
3 Bulgarian + Georgian + Italian + Vepsa @ 1.618627
4 Bulgarian + Georgian + Italian + Russian @ 1.620057
5 Bulgarian + Georgian + Italian + Russian @ 1.723090
6 Greek + Irish + Turk + Vepsa @ 1.725709
7 Bulgarian + German + Kryashen + Turk @ 1.728201
8 Georgian + Italian + Romanian + Vepsa @ 1.743563
9 English + Greek + Turk + Vepsa @ 1.750112
10 Georgian + Italian + Serbian + Vepsa @ 1.756566
11 Bulgarian + Georgian + Italian + Russian @ 1.758458
12 Bulgarian + French + Mishar-Tatar + Turk @ 1.775052
13 French + Greek + Russian + Turk @ 1.784122
14 Abkhazian + Bulgarian + Italian + Russian @ 1.790725
15 French + Greek + Russian + Turk @ 1.793422
16 English + Greek + Russian + Turk @ 1.799771
17 Abkhazian + Bulgarian + Erzya_Moksha + Italian @ 1.801484
18 Greek + Scottish + Turk + Vepsa @ 1.802743
19 French + Greek + Turk + Vepsa @ 1.805814
20 Greek + Irish + Turk + Vepsa @ 1.810683

Done.

Elapsed time 26.5275 seconds.

do you speak turkish or bulgarian at home? out of curiosity

[Voskos]

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 50.94
2 Indian 13.96
3 Steppe 12
4 Neolithic 11.19
5 NearEast 6.48
6 NorthAfrican 2.52
7 NorthEastEuropean 1.49
8 Siberian 0.69
9 Oceanic 0.45
10 Ancestor 0.15
11 Australian 0.13

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Kurd 4.04
2 Armenian 4.93
3 Armenian 5.08
4 Armenian 5.12
5 Azeri 5.43
6 Jew 5.44
7 Armenian 5.58
8 Armenian 5.71
9 Armenian 5.96
10 Assyrian 6.04
11 Iran_Lor 6.17
12 Armenian 6.18
13 Azerbaijani 6.19
14 Assyrian 6.33
15 Jew 6.69
16 Armenian 6.71
17 Adjar 6.71
18 Zoroastrian 6.78
19 Georgian_Abkhazia 6.84
20 Azerbaijani_Dagestan 6.9

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 85.9% Armenian + 14.1% Balochi @ 1.78
2 85.9% Armenian + 14.1% Brahui @ 1.8
3 84.5% Armenian + 15.5% Makrani @ 1.94
4 63.8% Armenian + 36.2% Iran_Mazandrani @ 1.95
5 50.2% Zoroastrian + 49.8% Georgian_Abkhazia @ 2
6 56.7% Zoroastrian + 43.3% Georgian @ 2.05
7 65.6% Kurd + 34.4% Georgian_Abkhazia @ 2.19
8 52.9% Iran_Lor + 47.1% Georgian_Abkhazia @ 2.28
9 88.4% Armenian + 11.6% Gujjar @ 2.29
10 53.7% Armenian + 46.3% Zoroastrian @ 2.34
11 86.5% Adjar + 13.5% Jew @ 2.36
12 69.5% Armenian + 30.5% Iran_Mazandrani @ 2.38
13 55.1% Armenian + 44.9% Iranian @ 2.4
14 87.4% Armenian + 12.6% Pathan @ 2.41
15 89.5% Armenian + 10.5% Sindhi @ 2.42
16 76.2% Kurd + 23.8% Abkhazian @ 2.42
17 51.1% Georgian_Abkhazia + 48.9% Iranian @ 2.43
18 89% Armenian + 11% Balochi @ 2.51
19 89.1% Armenian + 10.9% Brahui @ 2.53
20 87.9% Armenian + 12.1% Kashmiri_Pandit @ 2.58

This calculator seems to boost the Indian and Caucasian component but otherwise the results are pretty accurate

kurds are best warriors.