Albanians genetically closer to Spanish than Croatian?

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This is the only calculator I plot out of line like this though. I am very close to Skerdi(Leki) and Leapfrogger in others.

Where do you stand exactly?

[The Illyrian Warrior]

This is the only calculator I plot out of line like this though. I am very close to Skerdi(Leki) and Leapfrogger in others.

Oh, I see.

[Lek]

There are quite northern plotting Tosks tho

Those Tosks must be really mixed which has pulled them north. It could even be dacian or some north ilyrian component or even Slavic.

Bulgarians for example are not paleo Balkan at all. They just are aix mash of different groups and that's why they plot where they plot. Its a coincidence. It's no where close to north Italy or even as north yet on that map they are pretty much extremely eastern shifted north Italians while I plot between

[safinator]

Those Tosks must be really mixed which has pulled them north. It could even be dacian or some north ilyrian component or even Slavic.

Bulgarians for example are not paleo Balkan at all. They just are aix mash of different groups and that's why they plot where they plot. Its a coincidence. It's no where close to north Italy or even as north yet on that map they are pretty much extremely eastern shifted north Italians while I plot between

The most northern plotting Albanians are the ones from Montenegro , the most southern are the southwestern Albanians, surprisingly SE Albos can plot quite north too.

Kosovars aren't uniform, there's some really northern ones but also some which plot below me.

[Philip Latinowitz]

Dalmatians and Herzegovinians are more northern shifted than South Serbs from what I have seen on 23andme. Except me of course.
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...y-23andme-list

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My two attempts at DnalLand

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I can't find the GSM feature on 23andme. Seems they removed it. But this is if I remember correctly where I plot, more or less. That black dot done in Paint. I found the pic on the Internet and I have just marked the position. Quite southern.

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Regarding this map, if I remember correctly I have do Eurogenes test, enter data and mark coordinates in Paint or something, no? What is the link?

Do you have some gedmatch data about Croats ? I've never seen any.

[Philip Latinowitz]

I'm still learning about genetics but can't see how Albanians can be closer to Spaniards than to Croats. Just look at geography for god's sake! There must be some shared pre-Slavic ancestry too. Only thing I can think of to connect Spaniards and Albanians must be some generic med (south Euro) ancestry.

Based on this: http://www.eupedia.com/europe/europe...logroups.shtml there is decent amount of I2 in Albania and E1b1b is minor haplogroup in Croatia too.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

I'm still learning about genetics but can't see how Albanians can be closer to Spaniards than to Croats. Just look at geography for god's sake! There must be some shared pre-Slavic ancestry too. Only thing I can think of to connect Spaniards and Albanians must be some generic med (south Euro) ancestry.

Based on this: http://www.eupedia.com/europe/europe...logroups.shtml there is decent amount of I2 in Albania and E1b1b is minor haplogroup in Croatia too.

I took a look at the PCA, I see we plot closer to Croats then Spaniards (understandably so), you're correct.

We undoubtedly share some pre-Slavic genes, nothing unusual here.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

The most northern plotting Albanians are the ones from Montenegro , the most southern are the southwestern Albanians, surprisingly SE Albos can plot quite north too.

Kosovars aren't uniform, there's some really northern ones but also some which plot below me.

People around Korca seem very Northern looking by southern standards I noticed, could very well be because they carry few genes from once Slavic settlers in Medieval period.

[RN97]

I'm still learning about genetics but can't see how Albanians can be closer to Spaniards than to Croats. Just look at geography for god's sake! There must be some shared pre-Slavic ancestry too. Only thing I can think of to connect Spaniards and Albanians must be some generic med (south Euro) ancestry.

Based on this: http://www.eupedia.com/europe/europe...logroups.shtml there is decent amount of I2 in Albania and E1b1b is minor haplogroup in Croatia too.

You need to get the haplogroup thing out of your head, it's basically insignificant. It can go back thousands of years. Autosomal DNA matters.
Genetically Croatians are like 80-90% central European and the rest Balkanite. Meaning you can model a Croatian as like 90% Austrian, 10% Albanian in many cases. Croatians can actually be considered fully central European and that makes most sense, you are closest to Austrians and Hungarians, but just like Hungarians, a lot of individual Croats cluster near Serbia and even Romania rather than the former.
You guys would be somewhere around 38-40% WHG and that's what separates you from most other Balkanites as Albanians have much less. More than 10% less in most cases. Bosnian Serbs and Bosnians are the closest.

[The Illyrian Warrior]

You need to get the haplogroup thing out of your head, it's basically insignificant. It can go back thousands of years. Autosomal DNA matters.
Genetically Croatians are like 80-90% central European and the rest Balkanite. Meaning you can model a Croatian as like 90% Austrian, 10% Albanian in many cases. Croatians can actually be considered fully central European and that makes most sense, you are closest to Austrians and Hungarians, but just like Hungarians, a lot of individual Croats cluster near Serbia and even Romania rather than the former.
You guys would be somewhere around 38-40% WHG and that's what separates you from most other Balkanites as Albanians have much less. More than 10% less in most cases. Bosnian Serbs and Bosnians are the closest.

By standard definition they are Balkanite but what separate them from us is indeed WHG competent mostly, they score very high amount (40%), we however score around 30% WHG in Kosovo and less the more south you go.