Albanians genetically closer to Spanish than Croatian?

**Philip Latinowitz** · 02-28-2017, 09:50 PM

Originally Posted by RN97

You need to get the haplogroup thing out of your head, it's basically insignificant. It can go back thousands of years. Autosomal DNA matters.
Genetically Croatians are like 80-90% central European and the rest Balkanite. Meaning you can model a Croatian as like 90% Austrian, 10% Albanian in many cases. Croatians can actually be considered fully central European and that makes most sense, you are closest to Austrians and Hungarians, but just like Hungarians, a lot of individual Croats cluster near Serbia and even Romania rather than the former.
You guys would be somewhere around 38-40% WHG and that's what separates you from most other Balkanites as Albanians have much less. More than 10% less in most cases. Bosnian Serbs and Bosnians are the closest.

Thanks man, that makes a lot of sense

I'm interested about WHG, it is basically a North Euro component and I haplogroup is said to be descended from it, but still we score less WHG than Brits who are mostly R1b for example , or East Slavs with R1a... That kind of thing confuses me. What about EHG, people here write it is different component altogheder, can you explain it more detailed if have time ? Thanks!

**safinator** · 02-28-2017, 09:51 PM

Originally Posted by The Illyrian Warrior

People around Korca seem very Northern looking by southern standards I noticed, could very well be because they carry few genes from once Slavic settlers in Medieval period.

Not sure regarding phenotype but i think the 2 most northern plotting tosks among my samples are both from Gjirokaster.

**~~The Illyrian Warrior~~** · 02-28-2017, 09:55 PM

Originally Posted by Philip Latinowitz

Thanks man, that makes a lot of sense

I'm interested about WHG, it is basically a North Euro component and I haplogroup is said to be descended from it, but still we score less WHG than Brits who are mostly R1b for example , or East Slavs with R1a... That kind of thing confuses me. What about EGH, people here write it is different component altogheder, can you explain it more detailed if have time ? Thanks!

Haplogroups =/= Ancient components or admixture, hg just tells where your great great......grandfather possibly might hailed from but tells nothing about his racial make up, autosomal test is what tells you about.

**Philip Latinowitz** · 02-28-2017, 09:58 PM

Originally Posted by The Illyrian Warrior

By standard definition they are Balkanite but what separate them from us is indeed WHG competent mostly, they score very high amount (40%), we however score around 30% WHG in Kosovo and less the more south you go.

Well, I don't exactly agree. I'm North Croat and for example Graz (city in Austria) is quite close to my town, far closer than Albania or Bulgaria but unlike many other Croats I don't get triggered when called Balkanite

It is just certain some common ancestry must exist in the region, be it Illyrian (Thracian) or Roman.

**~~The Illyrian Warrior~~** · 02-28-2017, 09:58 PM

Originally Posted by safinator

Not sure regarding phenotype but i think the 2 most northern plotting tosks among my samples are both from Gjirokaster.

Any tested from Korca region, that place remains a mystery to us genetically........We have alot to learn from that region, just we need more people to get tested.

**safinator** · 02-28-2017, 10:02 PM

Originally Posted by The Illyrian Warrior

Any tested from Korca region, that place remains a mystery to us genetically........We have alot to learn from that region, just we need more people to get tested.

None that i know of on Gedmatch, i share with some on 23andMe.

**Coolguy1** · 02-28-2017, 10:06 PM

What test is this graph based on? Could someone put my results there, just want to see how I compare.

**RN97** · 02-28-2017, 10:47 PM

Originally Posted by Philip Latinowitz

Thanks man, that makes a lot of sense

I'm interested about WHG, it is basically a North Euro component and I haplogroup is said to be descended from it, but still we score less WHG than Brits who are mostly R1b for example , or East Slavs with R1a... That kind of thing confuses me. What about EHG, people here write it is different component altogheder, can you explain it more detailed if have time ? Thanks!

Western hunther gatherers were some of the first Europeans, they are believed to be blue eyed, dark skinned and dark haired and look Cro-magnon-like.

The closest people to WHG's today are the basques, the reason being not that they have the most WHG, but that they don't have a lot of ANE, which pushes you very far east, that's why NE Euros have a lot of WHG, but still cluster far from it. EHG, I'm unsure of, but I think it's a hunther gatherer that's like a mix of WHG and ANE, it looks kinda chinky. I think in modern times Samis, Chuvash, Maris look like them. Here is more on them:
http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthre...unter-Gatherer