Indigenous Balkan I2a1 in southern Albania

[Laberia]

No, I don't agree. There is not a consensus among online chauvinists, yes, but the age of I2-DIN(L621) is young as shown by Nordvedt, who is the expert on this group. (it's Around 2,000 years old). This Post-dates Paleo-Balkan Late Bronze/Early Iron Age Arrivals of Illyrians to Balkans.


You were showing promise of being capable of reason. Don't revert Labby, don't do it.

Ok, there is no consensus, we know now.
Can you tell me please, how percent of the sample was I2a-Din?
I am serious in my discussion. I told you that i don`t know from genetics, so i accept everything you say. And this is the reason why i make many questions.

[Laberia]

Yes, check Ken Nordvedt. He organized most of the information we know of I type haplogroups. His information is a little hard to find online, but I am sure that Albanian members here have it, if it exists in online format.

From your source:
Ken: I am a mathematical physicist doing research in gravity, space, and time; we folks never seem to retire from our investigations, whether employed or on pension. I am also interested in most all of the hard sciences and in history. Politics has, since 1950, been one of my other interests and passions. I used to travel a lot, ski and sail, and backpack into the mountains until arthritis got in the way.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenneth_Nordtvedt
Kenneth Leon Nordtvedt (born 1939) is a senior researcher specializing in relativistic theories of gravity. He was born on April 16, 1939, in Chicago, Illinois. Nordtvedt graduated from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (1960) and Stanford University (Ph.D., 1964) and was a junior fellow in the Harvard Society of Fellows (1963-1965). During this same period he was staff physicist at the MIT Instrumentation Laboratory project to develop the Apollo Mission's navigation and guidance system.

In the mid-1960s he showed how lunar laser ranging could be used to test a cornerstone of general relativity known as the equivalence principle, especially as extended to gravitationally compact bodies. He was a board member and scientific advisor overseeing the joint NASA-ESA Space Test of Equivalence Principle mission. He was appointed by then President Ronald Reagan to the National Science Board. He was elected to three terms in the Montana state legislature for a six-year period in the early eighties, and there he wrote one of the first inflation indexing reforms of income tax law in the nation. He served briefly in 1989 as Director of the Montana Department of Revenue. He had support from NASA and NSF for much of his research, as well as being a Sloan Fellow. His research was the subject of a Wall Street Journal article featured on the front page.[1]

He showed in 1988 that gravitomagnetism, which is an effect predicted by general relativity but hasn't been observed yet at that time and was even challenged by the scientific community, is inevitably a real effect because it is a direct consequence of the gravitational vector potential. He subsequently shown that the gravitomagnetism interaction, like inertial frame dragging and the Lense–Thirring precession, is typically a Mach effect.[2]

He is also an active genetic genealogist by interests. He has done his own research into genetic haplogroups, particularly the Y DNA group I, to which he belongs.[3][4]

[Scholarios]

Ok, there is no consensus, we know now.
Can you tell me please, how percent of the sample was I2a-Din?
I am serious in my discussion. I told you that i don`t know from genetics, so i accept everything you say. And this is the reason why i make many questions.

There is a consensus. There is only lack of consensus in the same way there is a lack of consensus on if vaccines cause autism or that natural selection produces evolutionary change. This is a sophistic appeal. If your argument is lack of consensus based on nerds on Eupedia, then also you should believe that Albanians origin is Caucasus, because Eupedia argues about that too.

Read the article (just the juicy parts). Then search for info on each haplogroup. We need only be concerned here about I2. You don't need to take my word for it, or anyone on this forum(s).

[Laberia]

Ufaaaa Scholariooooos.

[Skerdilaid]

Is there any explanation for why this haplogroup reaches such high percentages in southern Albania?



I would think that its the leftovers from Kutmichevitsa Slavs



Either that or its somehow native?

I can't see the first image but are you using Eupedia as a source again? There are only couple of a scientific studies about Tosks as far as I know, in total probably couple of hundred people tested so we can't say for certain how common CTS10228 is in the south. Could be sample bias.

[Laberia]

There is a consensus. There is only lack of consensus in the same way there is a lack of consensus on if vaccines cause autism or that natural selection produces evolutionary change. This is a sophistic appeal. If your argument is lack of consensus based on nerds on Eupedia, then also you should believe that Albanians origin is Caucasus, because Eupedia argues about that too.

Read the article (just the juicy parts). Then search for info on each haplogroup. We need only be concerned here about I2. You don't need to take my word for it, or anyone on this forum(s).

DejaVu, a proud firomski.
No, i have said many times that since someone is hidden behind a nickname, always exist a reasonable doubt. But i see this war of this nerds where everyone use his sources, full with quotes.
BTW, you didn`t answer, how percent of the sample is R1a and how many is I2a-Din.

[Scholarios]

I can't see the first image but are you using Eupedia as a source again? There are only couple of a scientific studies about Tosks as far as I know, in total probably couple of hundred people tested so we can't say for certain how common CTS10228 is in the south. Could be sample bias.

I agree about Eupedia, but judging how well it lines up with North Greeks and even Peloponesians, plus others in the region, I really don't think it is sample bias.

[Laberia]

Come on Scholarios, faster. This trap was prepared from you a long time ago.

[Dema]

Could be sample bias.

I dont believe that this Eupedia map is accurate, no chance that there is more I2a din in S Albania then Macedonia.

[Skerdilaid]

I agree about Eupedia, but judging how well it lines up with North Greeks and even Peloponesians, plus others in the region, I really don't think it is sample bias.

What lines up, Maciamo's imagination (paint skills)? Northern Greeks and Tosks are extremely undertested. I actually don't recall to have seen a studie that specifically targeted Northern Greeks. Do you know any?