Dodecad Ancestry Project

[Agrippa]

I'm pretty confident that some of the most "West Asian" people which ever lived were those of the higher Neolithic culture represented by sites like that of Çatalhöyük - racially they were mostly (Proto-) Mediterranoid with an Alpinoid minority, similar to the finds mentioned North of the Caucasus in Mesolithic times already, if talking about the "new colonisers".

[Transhumanist]

Well, I don't see the relation between the west-asian and northern european components. The levantines, like Syrians, have 50% of west-asian yet 0% of northern-european. How do you explain that ? On the other hand, Basques lack any west or southwest asian, yet they are 40% northern-european. Im pretty sure the west-asian and southwest component came to Europe at about the same period.

I do not necessarily disagree with you on your point, in bold, above. Just one correction. Syrians have less than 40% "West Asian." Assyrians (Mesopotamian Christians), and the one Iraqi Mandaean (DOD460), carry the 50% "West Asian" and 0% "North European" combination.

Dodecad average values

POP	W_Asia	Nw_Afri	S_Euro	Ne_Asi	Sw_Asi	E_Asia	N_Euro	W_Afri	E_Afri	S_Asia
KSA	12.2	0.8	3.9	0.1	76.7	0.1	0.2	1.4	2.6	2
EGY	19.1	7.7	15.3	0.1	38.9	0.1	0	4.1	14.7	0
JOR	31.3	3.8	19.2	0.3	33.9	0.2	0.3	2.4	7.3	1.3
SYR	37.2	1.4	19	0.4	33.1	0.5	1.1	1.6	2.7	3
PAL	29.6	3.6	28.1	0.1	28.8	0.2	0.5	1.7	6.9	0.5
EAF	1.6	3.2	1.9	0	26.5	0	0	0	66.9	0
DRZ	37.4	1.1	34.4	0	24.8	0.1	0.6	0	1.2	0.3
ASY	51	0	23	0	24	0	0	0	0	1.8
MAN	50.4	0	21.4	0.3	24	0	0	0	0	3.9
CYP	39.1	0.3	35.5	0	23.7	0.1	1.2	0	0.1	0
ASJ	27	2	35	0.6	21	0.8	15	0	0.1	0.1

Assyrian Dodecad population = 12.

[poiuytrewq0987]

I wonder what is the difference between West Asian (Neolithic?) and South European.

[Agrippa]

I wonder what is the difference between West Asian (Neolithic?) and South European.

Like suggested probably Southern European refugia + earlier coloniser waves + the isolated samples used for Sardinians and Basque as standard vs. later and Eastern colonisers from West Asia.

[Transhumanist]

I recognize this is a European focused forum, but since it is very relevant to the question of our nomenclature (the subject of my previous post), I thought some may find of interest the results I received today of my father's Dr. McDonald analysis. The "South Asian" may in part be due to our proselytizing and ancient relationship with the St. Thomas Christians of Kerala*, beginning in the 4th century of the CE. The "European" segment may also be associated in some way with early Christianity. But, there exists the very real possibility it is even more ancient. The majority Subarian** component (Ninevite? + Hurrian?) comes as no surprise.

Most likely fit is 14.7% (+- 8.8%) Mideast (various subcontinents)
and 79.5% (+- 8.5%) Mideast (all Caucasus Area)
which is 94.3% total Mideast
and 0.6% (+- 0.8%) Europe (various subcontinents)
and 5.1% (+- 1.0%) S. Asia (various subcontinents)

The following are possible population sets and their fractions, most likely at the top:

Bedouin = 0.098 Armenian= 0.860 Finland= 0.000 S_India= 0.042
Bedouin = 0.101 Armenian= 0.845 Sardinia= 0.009 S_India= 0.045
Bedouin = 0.101 Armenian= 0.851 Finland= 0.000 N_India= 0.047
Bedouin = 0.102 Armenian= 0.848 Basque= 0.001 N_India= 0.048
Bedouin = 0.108 Armenian= 0.826 Sardinia= 0.014 N_India= 0.052
Bedouin = 0.113 Armenian= 0.790 Sardinia= 0.025 Sindhi= 0.071
Bedouin = 0.099 Armenian= 0.845 Lithuani= 0.000 Sindhi= 0.055
Bedouin = 0.107 Armenian= 0.824 Basque= 0.009 Sindhi= 0.060
Druze= 0.351 Armenian= 0.592 Chuvash= 0.000 Sindhi= 0.057
Druze= 0.293 Armenian= 0.673 Tuscan= 0.000 S_India= 0.034

*Mar Thoma: The Apostolic Foundation of the Assyrian Church and the Christians of St. Thomas in India

**Most scholars accept Subartu as an early name for Assyria proper on the Tigris, although there are various other theories placing it sometimes a little farther to the east, north or west of there.

Subartu was listed as a province of the empire of Lugal-Anne-Mundu; in a later era Sargon of Akkad campaigned against Subar, and Naram-Sin listed Subar along with the Armani (~Armenians), among the lands under his control.

[Imperivm]

DOD726


West Asian = 11.6%
South European = 31%
North European = 57.4%

I gather West Asian represents something similar to the Baltic group in Eurogenes?

[Olavsson]

I gather West Asian represents something similar to the Baltic group in Eurogenes?

That would be rather weird when thinking of my own results from both projects. My Dodecad 'West Asian' score is 10% (the Norwegian average is 7% if I remember it correctly), while my 'Baltic' scores in the intra-North European runs by Eurogenes are 0%, which is lower than the Norwegian average.

[Imperivm]

That would be rather weird when thinking of my own results from both projects. My Dodecad 'West Asian' score is 10% (the Norwegian average is 7% if I remember it correctly), while my 'Baltic' scores in the intra-North European runs by Eurogenes are 0%, which is lower than the Norwegian average.

Humm, ok.

I was just guessing really. I haven't read the thread through yet to see how the test works.

[Agrippa]

DOD726


West Asian = 11.6%
South European = 31%
North European = 57.4%

I gather West Asian represents something similar to the Baltic group in Eurogenes?

That's not the intention, but since no West Asian is present in the Northern European analysis, it could go there, since the Southern component in Eurogenes is primarily Western, would be generally interesting to compare the different analysis directly...

[Sikeliot]

The "Southern European" is basically a combination of Sardinian and Basque, is it not?