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Definitely the Japanese.
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The Koreans were always in a tough place. Because they are a small country surrounded by huge powers. China, Japan, historically the Mongols, Manchus, then Russia. So the Koreans not harming anybody, was more because of their lack of opportunity rather than an innate goodness I think. Koreans are actually very aggressive people culturally so if they had bordered weaker nations, I think they definitely may have been as ruthless as the Japanese were in WW2.
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Well I have one thing to say in defence of Japanese Empire and all of their conquests.
Nothing can give someone an alibi for massacres, but you were mentioning Dutch, British, Portugese etc... which Japan attacked and wiped out from various Asian places, so what?
What were those European Colonial powers doing there in the first place? How many of natives in Asia they've killed in centuries of ruling those areas?
I have my opinion about Chinese (and everyone else besides Japanese in Asia); Chinese are very very intelligent people but they're naive, and they will always be naive (I don't like to generalize ppl, but sometimes I need too), while Japanese on the other hand were/are everything but not naive, Japanese were never naive about anyone or anything.
When Japanese first came in contact with European colonial powers they didn't trust White ppl in a second they met them, Japanese saw white colonial true agenda and nature and they said; FUCK OFF!
Japan agreed to trade with Whites but they made sure that white legs never set foot on Japanese soil.
You think that White colonial powers would treat Japanese any different than rest of Asians if they had a chance? Hell no...
British, French, Portugese etc... of those times would want more than anything to make Japan another of their precious colonies.
WELL JAPANESE SAID; THINK AGAIN!
It was for the first time from 1492 forward that White colonial powers met some non-White ppl who rival their own ARROGANCE and aggressiveness in terms of POWER.
And Japan made fucking sure they show that in every chance possible.
Not only that Japanese shown themselves as rival to White aggressiveness, but even went beyond that, why the fuck would Dutch, French, Portugese or British rule that part of the world and not Japan?
I'm on Japan side about this matter, Japanese said (in direct way) White colonial powers; "THIS IS JAPANESE AREA OF PLANET, BOSS OF THIS AREA IS JAPAN...", plain and simpe, period, entire East Asia and Oceania = Japanese.
They wiped out Europeans from Asian colonies in WW2 like flies..., yeah, sure, British and French and Dutch had to deal with Reich in motherlands, but never the less, Japan had more right on those lands than any of European powers.
I also read long time ago how White Powers were angry that Japanese are siting around the same table as them before and after WW1, Japanese as the only non-white Power of that time, it was an insult for White arrogance.
But guess what? Japanese didn't give a blind fuck.
P.S. And last but not least; nothing can give an alibi to Japanese for their genocide over Chinese in WW2, but Japan was the last of Axis power to surrender, how did they surrendered btw? When American threw 2 ATOMIC BOMBS ON THEM, each bomb killed 70 000 Japanese IN A SECOND and 150-200 000 in next months from radiation, means total around... how much? 500 000 Japanese?
Can you name me a International court of Justice which ever judged Americans for that act? There is no court of Justice for British and Americans, you will never see such thing.
There, I said everything I had to say, maybe I would add also this; Japanese greatest mistake in WW2 was attacking USA, they should have attacked USSR when Hitler attacked it, their mistake (both from Reich and Japan) was in lack of their communications, if they attacked USSR togethar, not even A JESUS & ZEVS would save those red Commie bastards (which killed around 30 million of their own ppl durin USSR).
SO YES, JAPAN HAD MISTAKES, YES, JAPAN MADE MASSACRES, BUT JAPAN MADE SURE THAT WHITE COLONIAL POWERS GET ONE IMPORTANT MESSAGE; JAPAN IS A POWER LIKE THEY ARE, AND WHITE COLONIAL FOOT WILL NEVER ENTER JAPAN.
I (as a white guy from a white country which never had Colonies) have RESPECT for JAPANESE about this, they refused to be White Colonial toys, they made toys of White ppl in that part of the world.
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And nevermind this is a movie, nevermind this movie doesn't portrait Samurai history in authentic way, it does represent Samurai spirit and spirit of old Japan in perfect way without any of Hollywood propaganda, I would be honoured to die with ppl like this and NOT to live with SCUMS (those who tried to invade them, AND FAILED):
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Japanese were also known to be brutal to natives, though. One example: Singapore. In so far you can call Hakka Chinese there natives over the Malays (the latter of which are pretty imperialist themselves, linguistically then but I digress).
They first somewhat welcomed the Imperial Japanese forces for ridding them of the British colonials, but soon realised Japanese troops were more brutal than Brits ever were.
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The Byzantine empire's dominance was nowhere near the original Roman Empire's dominance and nowhere near China's historical dominance in East Asia. Just look at the map. China is 80% of East Asia's landmass.
True, one cannot overlook Japanese technology in modern era which is IMO second to none along with German, that's my opinion. Chinese products are more about quantity than about quality, and I will always buy quality. I'm not sayin that will not change, I'm saying how it is now.
China isn't just about quantity, that's an outdated perception. Yes, because China came from a low level of development in the past, it produced a lot of cheap products and still do, but many Chinese companies have and are rapidly moving up the quality chain. In consumer products, yeah, I'd say that Japan still has a lead. Although that's quickly changing. I think the only industry where Japanese brands have a very significant lead over China is in the automobile industry. Though this will probably change rapidly in the next 10 years, because China is shifting to EVs which are the future, and the government is actively promoting policies to intensify it's growth and promoting local brands.
In the arena of cell phones, drones, computers, electronics, drones, etc. Many Chinese brands like Huawei, Hisense, Lenovo, Drones etc have already beaten Japan in both quality, technology and market share. Out of those fields, perhaps general household electronics is where Japan still has a lead, I am talking about Sony, but even there, it is likely to lose ground. Korea is actually more competitive than Japan is in those fields. In other words, China is rapidly moving up the innovation and technology ladder.
In other fields from military technology to space technology to infrastructure to quantum physics, China has already established a clear lead over Japan that will continue growing. Japan still has a clear lead in robotics, although China is ahead in AI, IoT and internet tech, but with the massive investments in robotics being invested today by large Chinese conglomerates, I think Japan's lead will soon disappear there too.
Most people in China, particularly Mainland Chinese people hate Japan. But I don't hate Japan, or Japanese people. I get along with most that I meet. Hong Kongers, Taiwanese and Singaporeans have a much more positive attitude towards Japanese.Because you're Chinese, I have one question for you, I was always curious about this; is there any hatred (in general) present in today's Chinese ppl toward Japanese ppl because of all things which Japanese done to Chinese durin WW2 or is it History by now? Means, is there still any grudge, hatred or whatever?
I love Japan, but things which they have done to Chinese in WW2 are shameful, truly shameful, and one shouldn't judge all Japan or Japanese ppl for those awful things from WW2.
I don't think so. I think you are being way too optimistic.In military way, I predict that USA will remove totally that "embargo" they implemented to Japan in terms of their military technology and production after WW2. USA was/is always watching Japan in that aspect, but not anymore, I bet in everythin you want they will "remove chains" from Japanese considering WW2 past, and when Japanese made their military equal to their advanced society in terms of technology etc..., they can keep Chinese in Status Quo in Far East forever considering GeoPolitics, which will be U.S. intention, to keep China in status Quo, Japan will rise again, very soon as Military power to make that possible, wait and see.
In the present, and in the future, China's consumer markets will be the largest in the world, in most industries, it already is. So China's government will have at great disposal, the ability to influence markets and industries of scale to make sure that future technological leaders, not just in China, but globally, will be Chinese. It's already happening. Perceptions just haven't caught up yet. But China is already far ahead of Japan in many technologies, capabilities and definitely by national power, it is leagues above Japan.
Japan has actually been stagnant for a long time and it's continuing it's slow decline.
That's fine. That's your own perspective. Japan has a good reputation because it's been developed for several generations.P.S. Don't get me wrong, I like Chinese ppl and I respect your ppl very much, honestly and truly, from Historical point of view and every other point of view, I always respected your ppl. I know Chinese from Croatia here who have their stores, they are honorable and hard-working ppl, not only here, but everywhere I met them.
It's just that I like Japanese the most when it comes about East Asians
However, China's development is about to kick in to another level. So many perceptions today are already outdated.
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Ok buddy.
I don't think Chinese are naive at all, and definitely NOT compared to the Japanese. Japanese people are actually more naive on an individual basis than Chinese are, Chinese people are way more street smart and business minded.
But if you're talking about history. It's not that China was naive. It's that China was ARROGANT. For many thousands of years, China was the hegemon in East Asia, so they thought of themselves as the center of the world. The Chinese name for China is Zhongguo, which means, the Middle Kingdom. China thought itself as the most superior civilization and everyone else was a barbarian. Therefore, their minds were closed and could not even imagine another civilization, the West, could have surpassed it in advancement. That's why China was slow to react to the West.
Japan on the other hand, was accustomed to being a follower. It was also a small country, so it felt vulnerable. So when Commodore Perry arrived with modern gunboats, they realized how weak and backward they were, and quickly organized to learn from the West. It was easy for them to do because they were following another civilization, China, for thousands of years, so they basically switched tracks and followed the West.
Your ideas are really naive and idealistic TBH.
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Chinese smile and rub their hands together after a transaction leaving one in the dark whether they ripped you off or not. Or so the stereotype goes. Don't know whether true or not, but it's a funny one.
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