Indigenous Balkan I2a1 in southern Albania

[Kelmendasi]

So 20% Y-DNA in Albania is "foreign" from the balkans?

Edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-DNA_...y_ethnic_group

All there

Tbh it depends on cluster as you can have clusters of I2a that are native and the I2a category doesn't explicitly say I2a-Din meaning that some of it is Native it also depends on regions.. Anyways haplogroups don't determine what ethnicity you are, you can be I2a-din but still be 100% Albanian

[Albobalboa]

Tbh it depends on cluster as you can have clusters of I2a that are native and the I2a category doesn't explicitly say I2a-Din meaning that some of it is Native it also depends on regions.. Anyways haplogroups don't determine what ethnicity you are, you can be I2a-din but still be 100% Albanian

So what is it that determines ones ethnicity? Is there even a test that can determine it? How large % of Albanians would you estimate to be paternally Slav descendent?

[Kelmendasi]

So what is it that determines ones ethnicity? Is there even a test that can determine it? How large % of Albanians would you estimate to be paternally Slav descendent?

Autosomal will determine your ethnic make up. Drawing Slim which is I2a1b(Slavic marker) scores typical Albanian results on autosomal to the point that he get's 100% Balkan on DNA land as haplogroups are too distant to effect your ethnic or genetic makeup. I would recommend Living DNA for Albanians as they break down Albania and the Balkans into 3 categories, "Agean" which includes most of Greece most of Albania, "West Balkans" which includes some of Northwest Albania and most of western Balkans and Eastern Balkans which includes some of North-Eastern Albania, Kosova and other Eastern Balkan countries. Living dna also give detailed Ydna and Mtdna analysis

[Albobalboa]

Autosomal will determine your ethnic make up. Drawing Slim which is I2a1b(Slavic marker) scores typical Albanian results on autosomal to the point that he get's 100% Balkan on DNA land as haplogroups are too distant to effect your ethnic or genetic makeup. I would recommend Living DNA for Albanians as they break down Albania and the Balkans into 3 categories, "Agean" which includes most of Greece most of Albania, "West Balkans" which includes some of Northwest Albania and most of western Balkans and Eastern Balkans which includes some of North-Eastern Albania, Kosova and other Eastern Balkan countries. Living dna also give detailed Ydna and Mtdna analysis

Alright, feels like there's too many factors that play into this for me to even try to "get it". Not curious enough to pay £159 for a genetic test either at this point in my life.

[Albobalboa]

"Analysis of autosomal DNA, which analyses all genetic components has revealed that few rigid genetic discontinuities exist in European populations, apart from certain outliers such as Saami, Sardinians, Basques, Finns and Kosovar Albanians. They found that Albanians, on the one hand, have a high amount of identity by descent sharing, suggesting that both Albanians from Albania and Kosovo derived from a relatively small population that expanded recently and rapidly in the last 1,500 years. On the other hand, they are not wholly isolated or endogamous, as they share a significant amount of descent with nearby Macedonian, Greek and Italian populations. The recent growth is particularly evident in Kosovar Albanians, which show particularly high levels of homogeneity, in contrast to the higher diversity otherwise found in other Balkan populations." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_the_Albanians

MUH PURITY

[Kelmendasi]

This is why I say that it depends on region as Tosks have a far higher amount of I when compared to Ghegs although this is I in general which means that it could be I1(Norse/Gothic), I2a2(Germanic) etc not necessarily I2a1b

[Scholarios]

It was in the Balkans even before the arrival of Slavic speakers. It is native.

Well, I guess that idea has finally been put to rest.

http://biorxiv.org/content/early/201....full.pdf+html

[Loki]

Well, I guess that idea has finally been put to rest.

http://biorxiv.org/content/early/201....full.pdf+html

I2a1 is not Slavic.

[Scholarios]

I2a1 is not Slavic.

well it doesn't appear in any pre-slavic balkan remains, that's for sure. some e1b, r1b, and sardinian type i2a. No Dinaric tho.

[Loki]

well it doesn't appear in any pre-slavic balkan remains, that's for sure. some e1b, r1b, and sardinian type i2a. No Dinaric tho.

Have all ancient remains been found and DNA tested?