Haplogroup J1 in Europe.

[Kosovo je Sjrbia]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_J1_(Y-DNA)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogr...(Y-DNA)#Europe

Originary of Arab countries (probably Yemen, 70% of J1), it's a particular Haplogroup common also in Daghestan (Muslim Caucasus), Pakistan and in all the Arabian Peninsula, Iran, southern Turkey, north Africa and Sudan.


In Europe is almost nonexistent, but higher frequencies has been reported in the central Adriatic regions of Italy Gargano Apulia(17.2%) and Pescara Abruzzo(15%)http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27309. Those percentages are strikingly high, you must know that in Turkey is lower.

It would be very interesting to discover how that area of Italy has the highest percentage of that haplogroup, even in Sicily which was in the past an arab land, the percentage of J1 is only the 10,7%

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[Agrippa]

In very small and isolated groups, a haplogroup could rise to prominence even without a correspondingly strong autosomal influence. But its sheer presence above a certain niveau in Europe is still worth to mention.

Would be also interesting to know which exact variant of J1 is more common Europe:

Overall, the most frequent haplogroups in the Caucasus were G2a3b1-P303 (12%), G2a1a-P18 (8%), J1*-M267(xP58) (34%), and J2a4b*-M67(xM92) (21%), which together encompassed 73% of the Y chromosomes, while the other 24 haplogroups identified in our study comprise the remaining 27% (Table 2). ... haplogroup G2a3b1-P303 comprised at least 21% (and up to 86%) of the Y chromosomes in the Shapsug, Abkhaz and Circassians ... haplogroup G2a1a-P18 comprised at least 56% (and up to 73%) of the Digorians and Ironians (both from the Central Caucasus Iranic linguistic group), while not being found at more than 12% (average 3%) in other populations... haplogroup J2a4b*-M67(xM92) comprised 51-79% of the Y chromosomes in the Ingush and three Chechen populations (North-East Caucasus, Nakh linguistic group), while, in the rest of the Caucasus, its frequency was not higher than 9% (average 3%) ... haplogroup J1*-M267(xP58) comprised 44-99% of the Avar, Dargins, Kaitak, Kubachi, and Lezghins (South-East Caucasus, Dagestan linguistic group) but was less than 25% in Nakh populations and less than 5% in the rest of Caucasus.

http://dienekes.blogspot.com/2011/05...-caucasus.html

I think higher resolution in future research might help to reconstruct the exact pathway and migration pattern of J1 in Europe, for example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_J1c3d_(Y-DNA)

It was found among the Guanches as well:

The authors managed to extract Y-DNA from 30 individuals, most of them from La Palma, from the pre-colonial period. Additionally 42 individuals from the period of Castilian conquest were also sampled succefully.

The aboriginal Guanches (n=30) had the following haplogroups (sorted by numerical importance):

E1b1b1b (M81) - 8 - 26.7%
E1b1b1a (M78) - 7 - 23.3%
J1 (M267) - 5 - 16.7%
R1b1b2 (M69) - 3 - 10%
K(xP) (M9) - 3 - 10%
I (M170) - 2 - 6.7%
E1a (M33) - 1 - 3.3%
P(xR1) - 1 - 3.3%

http://leherensuge.blogspot.com/2009...che-y-dna.html

Which might just prove the Afro-Asiatic link though:

Guanche is an extinct language that was spoken by the Guanches of the Canary Islands until the 16th or 17th century. It is only known today through a few sentences and individual words recorded by early travellers, supplemented by several placenames, as well as some words assimilated into the Canary Islanders' Spanish. Relationships with other languages have therefore been difficult to determine with certainty; however, it is almost certainly Afro-Asiatic, and many linguists consider Guanche to likely be one of, or to be related to, the Berber languages

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guanche_language

[Sikeliot]

Maybe the regions of higher frequency in Italy are places that remaining Muslims in the south were deported to? Just a guess, going by history. If not this, it is probably something very ancient.

[Agrippa]

Maybe the regions of higher frequency in Italy are places that remaining Muslims in the south were deported to? Just a guess, going by history. If not this, it is probably something very ancient.

It could be Phoenician in certain places at least:

[Kosovo je Sjrbia]

Maybe the regions of higher frequency in Italy are places that remaining Muslims in the south were deported to? Just a guess, going by history. If not this, it is probably something very ancient.

no, Abruzzo was not a muslim land, and Apulia had a caliphate near gargano which lasted just 10 years.
While in Sicily, which have been muslim for centuries the Haplogroup J1 is about 10%, 5 points lower than Abruzzo.

[Kosovo je Sjrbia]

It could be Phoenician in certain places at least:

But Phenicians had not settled in Abruzzo.

[Efim45]

Somebody post something about J1(mtDNA)

[Agrippa]

Somebody post something about J1(mtDNA)

But not in this thread, because J1 yDNA and J1 mtDNA are two completely different issues.

[Foxy]

The answer is simple: some Arabs were deported by Normans from Sicily to a little city of Apulia, called Lucera. There 50% of them were killed, while an other half continued to live. That's why in Lucera there is still a J1 community.

Lucera location:



In Abruzzo there isn't J1, what arew you saying??? In Abruzzo more J1 than in Sicily? You must be mad. J1 diffusion:




4 your info, Abruzzo is nothernmore than the green line. up

[Foxy]

Also this map that you posted shows that J2 isn't found in Abruzzo. Abruzzo is northernmore than this... and your source is Wikipedia! WOW!



The map on the contrary shows that low percentage of J1 are found in Apulia/Molise, but they disappear in Abruzzo.

In Italy the only place with a relevant J1 diffusion is Lucera (Gargano), a Medieval Arabic settlements. Ethnically they don't descend from Italians and are separated from the other Apulians.