Iron Age and Early Medieval Polish DNA coming soon

[Peterski]

Niemcza_18, 900-1000 AD, Y-DNA: J2a1a-L26+ (exact subclade under L26 uncertain).

It has rather nothing to do with modern Georgia.

This SNP - L26 - links Early Medieval Pole Niemcza_18 with Bronze Age Hungarian BR2:

https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Y17946*/



Both Niemcza_18 and BR2 were J2a1, M410+ and L26+.

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And autosomal similarity of BR2 to modern populations:

[Lucas]

Now it's official guys...


https://www.academia.edu/33791135/20..._DNA_libraries

Here, we present the analysis of Y-chromosome obtained from seventeen, not yet reported, ancient male samples excavated from different burial sites in Poland: Kowalewko (Roman Iron Age), Maslomecz (Roman Iron Age), Legowo (early Middle Ages) and Niemcza (early Middle Ages).

We successfully assigned haplogroups to sixteen individuals. Eight belonged to haplogroup I1 (I-M253). Three of them belonged to the sub-branch I1a3a1a1a (I-L1237) and one to I1a2a (I-Z59). I1 is the most common haplogroup in present day Scandinavia, and it is found in all places invaded by ancient Germanic tribes and Vikings. Four samples belonged to haplogroup G2a (G-P15) which is spread uniformly throughout Europe. Other individuals were assigned to I2a2 (I-M436), R1a (R-M420), R1bl (R-L278), E1b1 (E-P2). The next portion of samples is under investigation. With this study we hope to shed new light into the genetic structure of populations inhabiting lands of contemporary Poland during the Roman Iron Age and the Middle Ages.

So out of 16:

8 I1 (I-M253)
- 3 I1a3a1a1a (I-L1237)
- 1 I1a2a (I-Z59)
- 4 just I-M253

4 G2a (G-P15)

1 I2a2 (I-m436)
1 R1a M420
1 R1b1 (R-L278)
1 E1b1 (E-P2)

How we can divide them between those few places? Any opinions? If one R1a m420 was from Wielbark or rather early Polish medieval?

[Peterski]

LOL, as much as 50% (!) of I1-M253.

Compare with 12 samples from Görzig (Saxony-Anhalt) dated to 300-400s AD:

I1 --------------------------------------------------------- 7 (~58%)
I (likely I2 but can be some Russian clade of I1) ------ 1 (~8%)
R1b ------------------------------------------------------- 1 (~8%)
R1 (most likely R1a, or some eastern R1b) ------------ 1 (~8%)
R1 (likely R1b but can be R1a-Z284 or L664) --------- 2 (~17%)

Source (see Table 3. on page 6 out of 7):

https://www.researchgate.net/publica...wanderungszeit

Location of Görzig:

[Tschaikisten]

Now it's official guys...


https://www.academia.edu/33791135/20..._DNA_libraries


So out of 16:

8 I1 (I-M253)
- 3 I1a3a1a1a (I-L1237)
- 1 I1a2a (I-Z59)
- 4 just I-M253

4 G2a (G-P15)

1 I2a2 (I-m436)
1 R1a M420
1 R1b1 (R-L278)
1 E1b1 (E-P2)

How we can divide them between those few places? Any opinions? If one R1a m420 was from Wielbark or rather early Polish medieval?

This is fucking shit. Is there any chance to some ''find'' deeper clades?

[Peterski]

Three of them belonged to the sub-branch I1a3a1a1a (I-L1237)

Subclade I-L1237 on YFull: https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-L1237/

The basal lineage of this subclade, I-L1237*, can be found here:



So Jordanes was right - the Goths had originated from Sweden?

[Rethel]

Now it's official guys...


https://www.academia.edu/33791135/20..._DNA_libraries


So out of 16:

8 I1 (I-M253)
- 3 I1a3a1a1a (I-L1237)
- 1 I1a2a (I-Z59)
- 4 just I-M253

4 G2a (G-P15)

1 I2a2 (I-m436)
1 R1a M420
1 R1b1 (R-L278)
1 E1b1 (E-P2)

How we can divide them between those few places? Any opinions? If one R1a m420 was from Wielbark or rather early Polish medieval?

As I said before: these places are not representative.
Some OE pipidówki or servant settlements, or just a
place were lived one or two rods, nothing special.

[Tschaikisten]

Goths - 0% IE 100 % Old Europe.

[Peterski]

But Wojewoda from ABF is ancestral to these Goths (he is I1 Z63+ S2078+ L1237-):

http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/sho...=1#post1304224

Maybe L1237 originated in Poland, south of the Baltic Sea, from Wojewoda's branch.

Wojewoda is an ethnic Polish user.

[Jana]

So Jordanes was right - the Goths had originated from Sweden?

Yes, even their name indicates it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gotland

''Gutasaga contains legends of how the island was settled by Þieluar and populated by his descendants. It also tells that a third of the population had to emigrate and settle in southern Europe, a tradition associated with the migration of the Goths, whose name has the same origin as Gutes, the native name of the people of the island.''

[Rethel]

Maybe L1237 originated in Poland, south of the Baltic Sea, from Wojewoda's branch.

Some historians are claiming, that Goths came to Scandia from Poland.

Yes, even their name indicates it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gotland

''Gutasaga contains legends of how the island was settled by Þieluar and populated by his descendants. It also tells that a third of the population had to emigrate and settle in southern Europe, a tradition associated with the migration of the Goths, whose name has the same origin as Gutes, the native name of the people of the island.''

On the Island 50% is I, so nothing strange if they found only I.