Iron Age and Early Medieval Polish DNA coming soon

[Peterski]

Three Early Medieval Slavs - RISE568, Niemcza18, Markowice7 - in Eurogenes K15:

1) RISE568 (Czechia):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 36.17
2 Atlantic 34.99
3 Eastern_Euro 14.8
4 North_Sea 8.49
5 West_Med 4.15
6 West_Asian 1.4

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Russian_Smolensk 18.3
2 Estonian_Polish 18.77
3 Belorussian 18.79
4 Polish 20.01
5 Lithuanian 20.05
6 Southwest_Russian 21.04
7 Ukrainian_Belgorod 21.22
8 South_Polish 21.33
9 Croatian 22.65
10 Austrian 23
11 Estonian 23.41
12 Ukrainian 23.41
13 Ukrainian_Lviv 23.48
14 La_Brana-1 23.74
15 Kargopol_Russian 24.98
16 Southwest_Finnish 25.7
17 East_German 25.89
18 Hungarian 26.15
19 Moldavian 26.55
20 Erzya 27.19

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 72.9% Lithuanian + 27.1% French_Basque @ 15.79
2 78.3% Belorussian + 21.7% French_Basque @ 16.43
3 79% Estonian_Polish + 21% French_Basque @ 16.62
4 81.7% Russian_Smolensk + 18.3% French_Basque @ 16.76
5 73.5% Lithuanian + 26.5% Southwest_French @ 17.4
6 76.1% Lithuanian + 23.9% Spanish_Aragon @ 17.5
7 80.9% Belorussian + 19.1% Southwest_French @ 17.63
8 76% Lithuanian + 24% Spanish_Valencia @ 17.71
9 83.3% Belorussian + 16.7% Spanish_Aragon @ 17.73
10 85.8% Russian_Smolensk + 14.2% Southwest_French @ 17.73
11 81.7% Estonian_Polish + 18.3% Southwest_French @ 17.75
12 77% Lithuanian + 23% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 17.79
13 77% Lithuanian + 23% Spanish_Andalucia @ 17.81
14 88.1% Russian_Smolensk + 11.9% Spanish_Aragon @ 17.81
15 83.9% Estonian_Polish + 16.1% Spanish_Aragon @ 17.82
16 83.7% Belorussian + 16.3% Spanish_Valencia @ 17.89
17 89% Russian_Smolensk + 11% Spanish_Valencia @ 17.93
18 84.7% Belorussian + 15.3% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 17.95
19 84.3% Estonian_Polish + 15.7% Spanish_Valencia @ 17.95
20 84.7% Belorussian + 15.3% Spanish_Andalucia @ 17.95

2) Niemcza18 (Poland):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 42.12
2 Atlantic 32.49
3 West_Asian 14.45
4 North_Sea 10.95

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Russian_Smolensk 26.33
2 Belorussian 27.06
3 Lithuanian 27.21
4 South_Polish 27.9
5 Estonian_Polish 28.01
6 Polish 28.1
7 Ukrainian_Belgorod 28.18
8 Croatian 28.57
9 Southwest_Russian 28.65
10 Ukrainian_Lviv 28.89
11 Austrian 29.08
12 La_Brana-1 29.82
13 Ukrainian 29.9
14 Estonian 30.48
15 Hungarian 30.82
16 Moldavian 31.25
17 East_German 31.5
18 Southwest_Finnish 32.89
19 Romanian 33.03
20 Bulgarian 33.59

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 77.4% Lithuanian + 22.6% French_Basque @ 25.17
2 80.8% Lithuanian + 19.2% North_Ossetian @ 25.18
3 84.8% Lithuanian + 15.2% Abhkasian @ 25.48
4 84.4% Lithuanian + 15.6% Georgian @ 25.55
5 82.7% Lithuanian + 17.3% Adygei @ 25.63
6 87.9% Russian_Smolensk + 12.1% North_Ossetian @ 25.65
7 82.7% Lithuanian + 17.3% Balkar @ 25.7
8 83.9% Lithuanian + 16.1% Ossetian @ 25.7
9 82.3% Lithuanian + 17.7% Kabardin @ 25.71
10 83.7% Belorussian + 16.3% North_Ossetian @ 25.73
11 86.8% Russian_Smolensk + 13.2% French_Basque @ 25.79
12 91.4% Russian_Smolensk + 8.6% Abhkasian @ 25.85
13 79.3% Lithuanian + 20.7% Spanish_Aragon @ 25.86
14 79% Lithuanian + 21% Spanish_Andalucia @ 25.87
15 91.4% Russian_Smolensk + 8.6% Georgian @ 25.9
16 78.7% Lithuanian + 21.3% Spanish_Valencia @ 25.91
17 83.6% Lithuanian + 16.4% Chechen @ 25.93
18 78.1% Lithuanian + 21.9% Southwest_French @ 25.93
19 90.6% Russian_Smolensk + 9.4% Adygei @ 25.94
20 79.6% Lithuanian + 20.4% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 25.94

3) Markowice7 (Poland):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 39.91
2 Eastern_Euro 24
3 Atlantic 17.33
4 North_Sea 12.2
5 West_Med 5.54
6 Sub-Saharan 1.02 --> probably ancient DNA damage

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Lithuanian 8.65
2 Estonian_Polish 9.75
3 Belorussian 10.16
4 Russian_Smolensk 11.46
5 Southwest_Russian 11.89
6 Ukrainian_Belgorod 12.24
7 Polish 14.05
8 Erzya 15.43
9 South_Polish 15.64
10 Estonian 15.67
11 Kargopol_Russian 15.69
12 Ukrainian 15.77
13 Ukrainian_Lviv 16.54
14 Croatian 19.8
15 East_Finnish 21.12
16 Moldavian 22.09
17 La_Brana-1 22.75
18 Finnish 22.94
19 Southwest_Finnish 23.77
20 Hungarian 23.97

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 98% Lithuanian + 2% Sardinian @ 8.58
2 83% Lithuanian + 17% Estonian_Polish @ 8.6
(...)

^^^
Now it makes sense why Slavic admixture was represented by a "Lithuanian-like source":

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4714572/

"As previously reported [11], the formation of the Slavic people (...) had a significant impact on the populations of Northern and Eastern Europe, a result that is supported by an analysis of identity by descent segments in European populations [10]. Here, despite characterizing populations by genetic similarity rather than geographic labels, we infer the same events involving a “Slavic” source (represented here by a cluster of Lithuanians; lithu11 and colored light blue) across all Balkan groups in the analysis (Greece, Bulgaria, Romania, Croatia, and Hungary) as well as in a large cluster of Germanic origin (germa36) and a composite cluster of eastern European individuals (ukrai48; Figures 4A and 4B )."

[Jana]

Interesting how Niemcza has much higher west asian than modern Poles and no any east med admixture (Czech sample too). They also lack any Siberian.
I wonder why are those medieval samples so far from modern Slavs, it was not so long ago but their genetics was different.

[Peterski]

They also lack any Siberian.

Modern Poles also lack any Siberian. At least I don't score any in K15.

[Jana]

Modern Poles also lack any Siberian. At least I don't score any in K15.

Yes, I know that. East Slavs do score it though, many people expected proto-Slavs to have some Siberian but they obviously don't.
Still, how do you explain their different autosomal make up, since it was already middle ages ?

I expected medieval Poles and Czechs to be the same as modern but seems not.

[Rethel]

I wonder why are those medieval samples so far from modern Slavs, it was not so long ago but their genetics was different.

Becasue they are not representative.
Niemcza was settled by captives.

[XenophobicPrussian]

Interesting how Niemcza has much higher west asian than modern Poles and no any east med admixture (Czech sample too). They also lack any Siberian.
I wonder why are those medieval samples so far from modern Slavs, it was not so long ago but their genetics was different.

That high amount of West Asian and no East Med is simply a result of low coverage. It still shows up where it should be on a PCA or oracle because the inflated Baltic/European, etc(the pop with the most is Lithuanians with 36%).

On K15 runs that show 80k+ SNPs or more, you don't see weird results like this.

[Karol Klačansky]

Becasue they are not representative.
Niemcza was settled by captives.

I agree, I dont think these samples yet are the best representatives of the original slavs, I mean none of these three ancient slavs were even R1a.

[Dick]

Some historians are claiming, that Goths came to Scandia from Poland.

Niemcza was settled by captives.

[Dick]

Modern Poles also lack any Siberian. At least I don't score any in K15.

Because your countryman Davidski made the calculator that way on purpose.

[Peterski]

On K15 runs that show 80k+ SNPs or more, you don't see weird results like this.

Interesting that when long-established specialists (people who create GEDmatch calculators) converted ancient Egyptian genomes from BAM files to GEDmatch format, they had a small amount of SNPs after conversion. But when Mlukas did it, these genomes have much more SNPs:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...=1#post4498564

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...=1#post4499947

Also their results from files processed by Mlukas make more sense than before.

(the pop with the most is Lithuanians with 36%)

I found many individual Lithuanians on GEDmatch who score way more Baltic.

By the way, it is high time that you recognize the superiority of K36 over K15:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...=1#post4497313