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    Here is mine...



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    Quote Originally Posted by MysteriousWays View Post
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    What is your ancestry?
    Mostly mix of Ashkenazi Jewish and Eastern Sephardic Jewish. I have minor southern German and possibly Romanian (non-Jewish) as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RN97 View Post
    I don't think you understood what I meant. North Italians aren't really that north. Look at this PCA based upon the basal-rich k7 that basically splits Europeans into three ancestries.
    1. Villabruna related (WHG) pulls you west and a tiny bit north
    2. ANE pulls you very north and eastwards
    3. basal Eurasian pulls you south

    A 90% Albo and 10% Serb is basically as similar to a n. Italian as a 100% Albo. N. Italians aren't really northern. They're like Iberians with less WHG and more basal.
    That's the usual Italian_Bergamo HGDP sample that hardly represents the variability of Northern Italy. And also Swiss Italians are ethnically "north Italian". Actually Ali Pasha Tepelena matches with Italian_Friuli, not with Italian_Bergamo.
    Last edited by Percivalle; 07-12-2017 at 03:56 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Percivalle View Post
    That's the usual Italian_Bergamo HGDP sample that hardly represents the variability of Northern Italy. And also Swiss Italians are ethnically "north Italian".
    What's wrong with that sample?
    BTW Swiss Italians
    ANE: 11.0885714
    Basal: 37.0328571
    Villabruna: 51.6085714

    Bergamo
    ANE: 8.8933333
    Basal: 39.51
    Villabruna: 51.5066667

    Swiss Italians are basically just slightly more northeastern than Bergamo-Italians, but they're basically the same. PCA makes the differences seem very large since ANE in Europeans changes the position very much even when the difference is only really about 2% ANE from Bergamo Italians to Swiss Italians, otherwise they're basically identical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RN97 View Post
    What's wrong with that sample?
    That simply doesn't represent well the variability of north Italians, especially of the north-eastern Italians. I've surely seen more Italian results than you, trust me.

    For the rest I can't give a fuck of any comparison with Martians, Vesuvians or Iberians: genetics of populations uses the whole genome and PCA chart includes the SNPs that are in the non-coding regions invisible to the eyes, while phenotypes are controlled by very few SNPs subject to sexual selection.


    Quote Originally Posted by RN97 View Post
    Swiss Italians are basically just slightly more northeastern than Bergamo-Italians, but they're basically the same. PCA makes the differences seem very large since ANE in Europeans changes the position very much even when the difference is only really about 2% ANE from Bergamo Italians to Swiss Italians, otherwise they're basically identical.
    Swiss Italians should be more northwestern than Bergamo-Italians. If a PCA shows that they are more northeastern, well that PCA isn't that good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ali Pasha Tepelena View Post
    Right...

    its not really north where i plot or even indicates foreign influence but they are just so butthurt i plot more Northern than them , i plot more Northern because i get more northern italy and more northern areas while others get more south but youre right its not really north.


    they really think we're all gonna plot at the same spot , strong low iqs.. my results dont indicate balto slavic influence or even foreign influence, here i match northern italy more than northern slavic countries or even croatia, slovenia etc.. balkan slavs got a lot of Balkan input...

    These Albanians are fucking stupid man. Theyre dumb as they fucking come. Apparently a pure Albanian must be even more south than iberians etc. Thats totally bullshit..

    I think its possible for a pure blooded Albanian to plot east of north italy like i do but according to Albos here nahhh nan it aint possible, too northern.. serbiiian wives meen.. some of them got more slavic ancestry as they even said they took serbian brides yet more Southern... these fking tards only used few samples and think they make up some pure cluster. ChocolateFace probably plots even more northern than me.

    Well, I plot east of Northern Italians while some other Albanians plot more south i.e East of Tuscans or even more south and they get tuscan, sicilian etc high here and other calcs while I get northern italian which explains why im more north but there are plenty of Albanians like me too and even more north of me. Northern italians are the Northern most plotting italians overall.. but these things are rather ancient but the low iq albos cannot understand that. I dont even plot that north and some ancient samples plotted north like that too . Its apparently ''north'' for Albanians here, rather they are extremely south as i told them before which is why i suggested they could have more greco tosk ancestry rather than ancestry from the Northern balkans as they are way too southern plotting.

    XenofobicPRussian here was saying those Ilyrian samples plotted with northern italians or east of them or something and that balkanites have become more south

    Apparently ilyrians, thracians etc were like eastetn italians

    Neither does plotting north east like ive seen some Albanian do indicate slavic, where you end rather depends on what you score and where you get pulled.

    But theres no point talkong to these fking tards... me getting northern italy etc while they overall more Southern areas should explain why i plot more Northern which isnt obviously balto slavic influence...

    But youre absolutely right its not even northern and normal for an Albanian like me... it could easily be a pure Albanian cluster.
    Xenophobicprussian is a retard with zero credibility. He was debunked already by the JAZ1(Montenegro Bronze Age sample) graph who was nowhere near North Italians, but to Bulgarians, Albanians and Greeks.
    Plotting close with North Italians does not have much if anything to do with Illyrians at all.

    If you actually read my posts there and not Xenophobicprussians shit, then you should have seen me debunking him:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Percivalle View Post
    That simply don't represent well the variability of north Italians, especially of the north-eastern Italians. I've surely seen more Italian results than you, trust me.

    For the rest I can't give a fuck of any comparison with Martians, Vesuvians or Iberians: genetics of populations uses the whole genome and PCA chart includes the SNPs that are in the non-coding regions invisible to the eyes, while phenotypes are controlled by very few SNPs subject to sexual selection.
    Not just that, there's a lot of factors at play. Plotting of different populations is not related to their phenotypes even when they plot similar. It would be like saying Rn97 looks Austrian cause he plots there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Era View Post
    Not just that, there's a lot of factors at play. Plotting of different populations is not related to their phenotypes even when they plot similar. It would be like saying Rn97 looks Austrian cause he plots there.
    Of course you're right, there's a lot of factors at play that hardly are caught by a PCA based on the entire genome. Similarity plots don't produce similar phenotypes, that's quite true. Anyway he doesn't look Austrian to me.

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