The Genomic History Of Southeastern Europe

[Voskos]

I have more matching segments with Neolithic Greeks, than do modern Greeks:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...-Greek-genomes

^^^ That explains a lot:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/sho...=1#post4213680

all-in who is kurdish has even more. then ancient greeks should look like Kurds by your logic. don't be biased bro

[cosmoo]

Come on, we are running over this exactly same discussion every now and then. It's getting boring to be honest.

If you are talking about this ficional long as hell period of
time, then you also were not here according to the same
thesis for almost a half of that period. So... But of course
it is not a real thing, so, it is meaningless.

"Fictional period"...

Ubfortuinatly for you, Motala has IE autosomal admix.

Since when does Rethel follow autosomal? This is historic event.
Both male and female lineage of Motala are not IE, and even going by autosomal, they are still 80%+ native western HGs. Besides, I already explained why autosomal "admixture charts", especially comparisons of modern population with ancient DNA, are (atleast for now) meaningless and inaccurate.

You are not native too, becasue C1 were before you,
and before them - neanderthals. So what's your point?

C1 was not in Europe before I. There were some C1 samples found in Palaeolithic Europe indeed, but so were I-M170 found in same age. It is clear to anyone with brain that C1 is not native, since it can be literally found over half of globe, heck, even in Australian Aborigines, while I-M170 is out of all haplogroups obviously the one most connected to Europe, with percentages outside of it being very weak.
Plus, Cro-Magnon lithic industry is merely a small refinement of Neanderthal Levallois one. Many anthropologists as well, such as Milford Wolpoff, spoken in favor of continuity in Europe.

I don't get it, what is so amazing in being in Europe, when europe did not existed yet, becasue Europe was created by IEs.

It is generally meaningless, but native IE land it is half
of Europe, whole Eastern European Plain, plus some
border lands like Ciscaucasia, Österland, Romania...

Yes, proto-IE did live in eastern Europe, but starting from Late Mesolithic/Neolithic. R1 originates in Asia.

Note that I am not saying they are not European racially. IE are perfectly Europoid/Caucasoid in racial sense. Their ancestors just didn't always live in Europe, that's all.

[Wrong]

all-in who is kurdish has even more. then ancient greeks should look like Kurds by your logic. don't be biased bro

You guys need to take those autosomals & matching segments with a grain of salt.

All of this is autism, to me only haplogroups matter and I stand by my word.

[Voskos]

You guys need to take those autosomals & matching segments with a grain of salt. All of this is autism, to me only haplogroups matter.

i dont take seriously it's just to satisfy curiosity. for reliable results we would need full genome sequencing

[Lek]

You guys need to take those autosomals & matching segments with a grain of salt.

All of this is autism, to me only haplogroups matter and I stand by my word.

They are accurate as fuck, man. You just turned out Tosk, homie.

[Rethel]

Come on, we are running over this exactly same discussion every now and then. It's getting boring to be honest.

Becasue you do not know what you want.

"Fictional period"...

Exactly. 50.000 years from nowhere.

Since when does Rethel follow autosomal? This is historic event.

Since always, when it is use there, when it should be. I do not said,
that they were IEs, BUT that they had IE au admix. It suggest, that
if Motalans were in contact with IEs, then they cannot be taken as
racial pattern, and that IEs had to be somewhere around.

I already explained why autosomal "admixture charts", especially comparisons of modern population with ancient DNA, are (atleast for now) meaningless and inaccurate.

I didn't see it.

C1 was not in Europe before I. There were some C1 samples found in Palaeolithic Europe indeed, but so were I-M170 found in same age. It is clear to anyone with brain that C1 is not native, since it can be literally found over half of globe, heck, even in Australian Aborigines,

But in european context it is about two characteristic clades.

while I-M170 is out of all haplogroups obviously the one most connected to Europe, with percentages outside of it being very weak.

Today, where majority of it comes from 2-3 guys who
were lucky to not be slaughtered during R1-honfoglalás.

Plus, Cro-Magnon lithic industry is merely a small refinement of Neanderthal Levallois one. Many anthropologists as well, such as Milford Wolpoff, spoken in favor of continuity in Europe.

Yes, proto-IE did live in eastern Europe, but starting from Late Mesolithic/Neolithic.

It is not known, but considering the fact, that everything
before Bronze Age is couple of hundrets of years, they
were there since the beginning. Wrong fictional datations
are not mine problem, but even if they first came from
Syberia, it is not problem, becasue we are a tribe, not
poteotes who definy theselves by place of growing.

R1 originates in Asia.

Yes, as all haplogroups. The I too.

Note that I am not saying they are not European racially. IE are perfectly Europoid/Caucasoid in racial sense. Their ancestors just didn't always live in Europe, that's all.

Ok. This is everything what I want
But considering the fact, how many R1 are found allready in the eastern Europe
it would be very strange of they would not be locals. Irkutsk seems to be just a
far outpost of some hunters, just like Villabruna and Malataverne. These could be
just lost hunters on the trek after their prey.

[Wrong]

They are accurate as fuck, man. You just turned out Tosk, homie.

You're more Tosk % though.

It's enough with this shit, you are highlighting this like fuck lately.

[Lek]

Dude, youre not Ilyrian.

Funny how me and Ylla got the highest out of everyone. First it didnt work for me, but when i used 40cm it started working so you started complaining that i used only 40. So had it up to 50 to shut your Tosk ass up. And I got more than you there too lol... now youre claiming its bullshit.

When i got highest steppe on k36 than you all bitches you started saying its bullshit there too. Hhahahahaha hahaha hahahaha

Dude, youre jealous im more Gheg and Northern. I even get more northern Albania than you and Montenegro, Kosovo.

[Wrong]

Dude, youre not Ilyrian.

Funny how me and Ylla got the highest out of everyone. First it didnt work for me, but when i used 40cm it started working so you started complaining that i used only 40. So had it up to 50 to shut your Tosk ass up. And I got more than you there too lol... now youre claiming its bullshit.

When i got highest steppe on k36 than you all bitches you started saying its bullshit there too. Hhahahahaha hahaha hahahaha

Dude, youre jealous im more Gheg and Northern. I even get more northern Albania than you and Montenegro, Kosovo.

Yeah good, happy now?

[Era]

Funny how me and Ylla got the highest out of everyone.

Why is that funny?