Eurogenes Biogeographic Ancestry Project

[Barreldriver]

Chart for the NEU6g run:



Figures for top 5:

1. Ireland 6.94
2. Germany 7.31
3. UK 8.26
4. Netherlands 9.44
5. France 12.54

I say the NEU7g run was more accurate for me, there's no way given my genealogy that Irish and German should be closer than the UK as they don't even equal a quarter of my genealogy, the newer run accurately represents my over half English ancestry much better.

[Transhumanist]

European...R-M269...

The most likely point of origin of at least R-L23, and perhaps R-M269 as well, is West Asia. In the area with concentrations of "West Asian" at or in excess of ~50%.

Dienekes, recently, on the subject:

[I] looked at the ongoing Dodecad v3 results to possibly correlate the spread of R-M269 to Western Europe with the autosomal evidence...[It] is consistent with an episode of gene flow into Europe from West Asia that affected Western more than Eastern Europe, which parallels the R-M269 distribution in Europe.

Modeling spread of R1b1b2 into Europe

Dr. Anatole Klyosov, wrote the following, recently. I do not necessarily agree with it all.

In fact, those similarities do exist, albeit in a rather weak form because thousands of years passed since then. Still now most of R1b1a2 haplotypes in the Caucasus (in Armenia, Dagestan, Georgia) belong to the ancient L23 subclade (with a common ancestor in the Caucasus of around 6,000 ybp), and have a characteristic DYS393=12 allele, unlike DYS393=13 in most of European R1b1b2 haplotypes. From the Caucasus, R1b1a2-L23 and R1b1a2-M269 bearers went South over the mountains, to Anatolia (a common ancestor of 6,000 ybp), and then split into three major routes. One went further South, to Tigris and Euphrates Rivers, and became the Sumers. Many present-day Assyrians, descendants of ancient Sumers, still have their R1b1a2 haplotypes. Another went westward, across AsiaMinor, and came to Europe, to the Balkans and Mediterranean Sea region around 4500 ybp. The third group went across Northern Africa and Egypt (and,incidentally, might have left some R1b1b2 Pharaohs there) to the Atlantic and went across Gibraltar to the Iberian Peninsula around 4800 ybp. They became the Bell Beakers, and moved up North into the continental Europe. The Bell Beaker culture in Europe had lasted between about 4400 and 3800 ybp.

Proceedings of the Russian Academy of DNA Genealogy 2011 June Volume 4, No. 6

Image source: simranjits' The Jatt Gene

[Barreldriver]

This is not to neglect great grandma who's half East Anglian half Hampshirite or however a person from Hampshire would be called, Kent a Southeastern region would be a naturally close match to someone with recent East Anglian ancestry as East Anglia is also Southeastern or so I would think.

I made a boo boo here should have put Hampshire instead of East Anglia.

More specific interpretation of July 4th dataset RMS results:

1. Kent 3.13 (represents my most recent Southeastern English ancestry from Hampshire and more distant ancestry from Buckinghamshire, then my Suffolk and Essex ancestry wouldn't be too far off as despite being "East English" they are relatively close to Southeastern England geographically).

2. UK 3.62 (since it's based on the pan-UK participant pool it could represent any and/or all of my various UK ancestry groups)

3. Cornwall 5.15 (was a bit of an odd ball IMO as I don't have any known Cornish ancestry, but I do have ancestors from Devon which borders Cornwall)

4. Germany 5.46 (represents my not even a full quarter German ancestry)

5. Scotland 5.66 (representing my Scots ancestors naturally)

Irish did make the top 10 (#8) and is explained in my genealogy, despite having great great grandmothers with Gaelic surnames they were by no means pure Gaelic but mostly English by ancestry, so the Gaelic being as diluted as it was it makes sense for Ireland to be set back as far as it was in these calculations.

[Rochefaton]

I ran Pallantides' results from the NEU6g run and it would appear that run was more accurate for Scandians than the EU7b run. The opposite may hold to be true for the Brits and Micks.



Trog, here is your chart, you Keltic devil:

[Barreldriver]

I ran Pallantides' results from the NEU6g run and it would appear that run was more accurate for Scandians than the EU7b run. The opposite may hold be true for the Brits and Micks.

Even more reason why the results should be personalized in the context of personal genealogical trends more so than anything, if it doesn't make sense with the obvious parts of your genealogy try a different method that different method might be relevant to the self but not to someone else perhaps?

[Trog]

Trog, here is your chart, you Keltic devil:

Thanks, I'm surprised I'm closer to Cornwall than to Scotland. A bit disappointed actually, lol.

[Pallantides]

I ran Pallantides' results from the NEU6g run and it would appear that run was more accurate for Scandians than the EU7b run. The opposite may hold to be true for the Brits and Micks.

Thanks!



NEU6g



EU7b


yeah I think the NEU6g results are more accurate, at least for me.

[Rochefaton]

Impervim's results from the EU7b run looked odd, so I ran his numbers from the NEU6g run, and like Pallantides, his NEU6g results appear to be more accurate considering his ethnicity.

[Ibericus]

The most likely point of origin of at least R-L23, and perhaps R-M269 as well, is West Asia. In the area with concentrations of "West Asian" at or in excess of ~50%.

You guys are twisting everything. I never said that R1b-M269 was originary from Europe.

[Rochefaton]

Here is your chart, EuroAmerican:



You're closest 3 are:

Germany 9.53
Netherlands 9.73
Kent 11.00