Poland-Germany border, most interesting thing ever

[Token]

General Germanic.

What about specific German ancestry?

[Rethel]

Yeah but what I mean by Non-Slavic is that it did not expand during Slavic Migrations, as you can clearly tell considering what is its age (much older) and distribution (no correlation with Slavic languages).

Yes, but the farest as you can go is polishness.

Slavness?
You could argue, but always will be buts...

Similar case is the king of Holland. Is he German (as oldest memory says) or Slav (as hg points)?
I would not be able to say clearly, becasue it could be that some "slavic clades" were earlier as
we think they were. Maybe with time and more kopalnych samples it could be determined easier,
but in such cases the farest as I would go it is familiy's matter to decide with which identify more.

But it also does not correlate with Germans. It was probably from Celts who settled in Poland.

Probably. But I would not totaly exclude Szottish element.

In 1980 census, English was the most frequently reported ancestry in the USA:

As they started to going stupid at that time, I trust more polish wiki
which says 80mln, and what was not so far ago on english wiki too.

[Rethel]

The distribution of people with R1b-L617 (as of December 2016):

The points in Lithuania could suggest Szots.

[Peterski]

What about specific German ancestry?

No idea. But you have to know that Germans from areas to the east of the Oder themselves are largely Slavic in terms of genetics. For example this woman has all 16 German great-grandparents, but is autosomally very Slavic-shifted: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/sh...=1#post4280100

Surnames of her great-grandparents: Steinbach, Liebenau, Gnoss, Scheffler, Hass, Hasse, Voss, Zimmermann, Kopiske, Eichstädt, Feustel, Schmeisser, Hedke, Lück, Neumann, Schulz

Birthplaces of her ancestors (mostly in former West Prussia):



And her DNA results give her "Polish" in Single Population Sharing:

Eurogenes K13 results:

Kit A682720

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 40.43
2 North_Atlantic 37.01
3 West_Med 12.1
4 West_Asian 4.1
5 East_Med 3.24
6 Red_Sea 1.43
7 Northeast_African 0.63
8 Oceanian 0.6
9 South_Asian 0.43
10 Amerindian 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Polish 6.86
2 Polish 7.61
3 Southwest_Finnish 8.08
4 East_German 8.42
5 Ukrainian 9.22
6 Ukrainian_Lviv 9.24
7 North_Swedish 9.5
8 Austrian 10.9
9 Hungarian 11.08
10 Russian_Smolensk 11.11
11 Belorussian 11.32
12 Croatian 11.49
13 Estonian_Polish 11.6
14 Estonian 11.88
15 Finnish 12.26
16 Southwest_Russian 12.63
17 Ukrainian_Belgorod 13.04
18 Swedish 13.46
19 Lithuanian 14.72
20 North_German 14.93

^^^
So if some Polish person has a German ancestor with similar genetics, then this Polish person is still not different than an average Pole. Because that German ancestor was very Eastern.

[Rethel]

I don't know what you are talking about, why you don't try to be more direct and objective?

You say, that it is not true, that 80 mln people comes from england, becasue Americans are mixed (as it would be not known). So I asked you - what about people, who came to America on Mayflower. They were from England so logically were Englishmen, so now, since they landed, are american English... or - as you supposed - they in some way became Indians (becasue they live on their land), Germans (becasue as you said, Americans are overwhelmingly of such provenance) or maybe someone else? If so, then how and when they totaly change themsleves and lost their roots replacing them by others? How?

I just believe that ancestry and culture needs to walk side by side.

If you not follow the culture, you still have ancestry.
You can began to foolow chinese culture, but it will
not make you chinese ancestry - or maybe will?

[Rethel]

Surnames of her great-grandparents: Steinbach, Liebenau, Gnoss, Scheffler, Hass, Hasse, Voss, Zimmermann, Kopiske, Eichstädt, Feustel, Schmeisser, Hedke, Lück, Neumann, Schulz

And her DNA results give her "Polish" in Single Population Sharing:

^^^
So if some Polish person has a German ancestor with similar genetics, then this Polish person is still not different than an average Pole. Because that German ancestor was very Eastern.

Another reason why it is sensless.

[Peterski]

Another reason why it is sensless.

It is not. You should finally test your autosomal DNA.

[Rethel]

It is not. You should finally test your autosomal DNA.

No, I do no need it.
Btw, digging so much in that, you should be able to calculate it.

1/4 from Deafgermania, 1/2 from close translivian Podlachia,
1/16 from prussian Silesia, and 3/16 from western Mazowia.
Now, give me my percentages

[Token]

You say, that it is not true, that 80 mln people comes from england, becasue Americans are mixed (as it would be not known). So I asked you - what about people, who came to America on Mayflower. They were from England so logically were Englishmen, so now, since they landed, are american English... or - as you supposed - they in some way became Indians (becasue they live on their land), Germans (becasue as you said, Americans are overwhelmingly of such provenance) or maybe someone else? If so, then how and when they totaly change themsleves and lost their roots replacing them by others? How?

Mixing with later European migrants. The North-American culture is a fusion of several Northwest-European and even Southern European cultures (with the English/Anglo-Saxon still being the main component) that, thanks to the several years spent in a totally different continent, developed his own particularities.

If you not follow the culture, you still have ancestry. You can began to foolow chinese culture, but it will, not make you chinese ancestry - or maybe will?

No and this is exactly why i say that ancestry and culture needs to walk side by side. You can follow the chinese culture but if you are not a chinese by blood you are just a intruder.

[Rethel]

Mixing with later European migrants. The North-American culture is a fusion of several Northwest-European and even Southern European cultures (with the English/Anglo-Saxon still being the main component) that, thanks to the several years spent in a totally different continent, developed his own particularities.

Yes of course - does it change the fact, that american English is not american English?
did he suddenly lost his provenance, ancestors, history and everything becasue he participates in new enviroment???

No and this is exactly why i say that ancestry and culture needs to walk side by side. You can follow the chinese culture but if you are not a chinese by blood you are just a intruder.

So what is your problem with English or Germans in this case?
Not following the culture doesn;t cancel the blood. One can always
start to cultivate some meaningless customs, if it hurts you so much...
It doesn;t work opposite way...